designer's mentality
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- tkmeister
is it hard to understand from business people's perspective?
- fate0
I'm not sure there's a solidified mentality to study. We're a pretty fragmented and diverse group.
- dippy0
Re: what fate said
Business people are a diverse and fragmented group too.
- dippy0
But it depends on how good a designer is. Good design does the same thing that good business does: it serves a message, a product, or a cause in the most effective, efficient way possible.
- fate0
ok, but that's not really the thread's point. If you wanted to study either group, you'd have to assume certain common goals for all members in that group. Business is a bit more broad and pragmatic so common goals such as success, profit, and growth are black and white.
Design covers so many areas that the goals of designers for one medium alone can differ greatly, like the web, can range from whizzbang graphics to accesible and quick sites to executing a marketing idea online.
If you make Design a pragmatic and idealistic entity where everyone works to effectively communicate ideas, then what is hard to understand? In truth there is no solidified mentality. Maybe that's why tkmeister is asking this question.
- tkmeister0
i guess i was wondering about this because i was always stereotyped by my ex gf about some of my behaivors.
- Blofeldt0
i think business persons perspective is a bit broad. I presume you mean sales or marketing person.
I think it can be hard for no designers to understand what we're on a bout sometimes. There's things we know which we assume is basic knowledge but that others don't know. We have a very specialist knowledge, much like a mechanic or a plumper, and therefore, terminology can be hard to grasp and remember.
Generally we are quite close to our work. It's personal and I think other memembers of a company can forget this.
- fate0
well traditionally, and stereotypically speaking, tkmeister, the business and design divide is one of the left and right brain. Those that are creative and those that are logical. In truth a business person doesn't want design, but only sees it as a means to an end:success in some form. Therefore there is mutual disdain (stereotypically speaking) for each other side as creative control is directed by either party to determine what path to success should be taken.
summary:
Math Nerd vs. Art Fag
- dippy0
okay, pragmatically speaking...
designers are hell to work with. They need to think creatively, sometimes chaotically. "Deadline" is a foreign word. They are difficult to communicate with.
And they refuse to change the color of the icon to "sunflower yellow."
- mitsu0
form vs. function
VS.
quality vs. quantity.
- tkmeister0
i think, to many of us, design is a way of life. it becomes beyond just a job.
yes, we have to do this to make living, but once you are designer, you identify your surrounding with design.
also, design is something very subjective. though there is universal idea on what's good design may be, it really depends on a person.
to me, business is really more objective, especially when it comes to finance and productivity. It clearly shows in the numbers.
i don't think one is better than another, but i think these are two very different mentality.
- fate0
yes, that's what I saying.
- Blofeldt0
I think a lot of designers resent having to design for stuff they couldn't care about. Loads of us are frustrated artists who for one reason or another moved into graphic design as a way of combining art and work.
- tkmeister0
it's funny how things are.
now i am a marketing manager at a company. yes it gives me more control over the projects. also, i am responsible for designing web, html, coldfusion, flash.
i am starting to have a real problem with coming up with a good design.
i feel like i am schizophrenic
- dcdomain0
Oh man I have a long rant just waiting for this thread. But I'll spare you the specifics for now because I'm so enraged. I think I might not come back to work Thursday. %*@)$ this...
- tkmeister0
dcdomain,
i wish i could say 'dude, it's just work" but like many of us said here, it is a bit more personal.sometimes, sucks to be a designer.
- CliffRaines0
yes very much so. they think that we are idiots that think since we design we rule the world. ( we do though ). they dont have an understanding and prolly never will about our mentalitys
- mrdobolina0
you're just a pixel pusher, you got it made.
Ever had a real job?
- puter0
I worked many real jobs... still do from time to time since I am freelancing...
pushing pixels takes alot more than scrubbing countertops, selling, managing, and even picking fruit (long story)...
design is personal and emotional all the while trying to pretend not to be to please the suits..
All the other jobs I ever had were brainless and robotic.
Creating on command is hard work- but the only work worth working.