The grass is always greener on the other side?
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- mr_snuggles
Is it? I'm so uncertain about anything in this business anymore. I used to think it really had something to do with the people/market/culture of my country (Canada) and always thought it'd be better if I lived in the UK or the Netherlands or Germany, better design, forward thinking culture, yadda yadda.
Anyone want to share any experience regarding relocating for your career and how it's going/gone?
- _salisae_0
the grass may be greener but the mud is also slippier
- mr_snuggles0
touché.
- jevad0
"the grass may be greener but the mud is also slippier
thats a fucking great analogy.
I'm the same - grass is always greener. I left London to come to Denver - hated it when I was there - miss it like fuck now. I'll even take the shitty weather.
Nah not really - it's fucking great out here...america is going to take some getting used too - my tolerance for idiocy and religious twats has reached an all time low - but the weather is amazing - it's cheap as fuck, and the mountains are an hour away.
I work at a great company with great people on great projects.
Instead of 5 weeks holiday I have a fucked up 3 - that totally fucking blows. People in this country seem to work far too hard - get out and enjoy life more.
- DutchBoy0
aaahhahaha.. sorry i swear i did not see this thread before i started mine.
anyway, avoid the netherlands like the plague.
seriously.
- mr_snuggles0
Dutchy is ok, it was just a funny coinky-dink.
I had a great interview over there (amsterdam) with an ace company, but they hired 2 people the week before I got there but offered me freelance IF I moved there. Seems a bit risky but I've never really just picked up and done something like that. But I'm seriously sick of things in Toronto so I'm really considering it..
- DutchBoy0
you live in toronto???
and you tell me it sucks??
now i am really confused..
- MXS0
london=great for design inspiration/visits/work but weather sucks ass and is expensive as fuc
but then again i've never worked elsewhere (jevad style) yet. Waiting for an opportunity to travel...
best idea is to spend some time there and experience it (good or bad) no?
- k0na_an0k0
*walks in from other side.
it's raining guys
- mr_snuggles0
you live in toronto???
and you tell me it sucks??
now i am really confused..
DutchBoy
(nov 19 04, 11:57)What is so confusing about that? Besides lot's of folks would disagree with me, but they're all brainwashed.
- -leah-0
toronto sucks for sure
- DutchBoy0
ok then..
toronto is off the faves list then..
- Warland0
Mr Snuggles - I'm thinking of heading out the other way (to the UK) are you a Canuck? or from across the pond?
- _salisae_0
do you do much print work, dutchboy?
- nick0
toronto definitely sucks. especially for our industry.. not much going on indeed. lots of flakey people in toronto.. lots of people who think they're something they're most definitely not.
it can be a nice city.. Queen St is fun and inspiring, and College St is fun too.
but i wouldnt move there if i were you. Montreal before Toronto for sure.
Canada on the whole is just a little slow compared to the US.. great country though.
- mr_snuggles0
I'm a Canadian looking to do the same. Either UK or Netherlands..my dad was born in Hungary so I'm hoping that makes it easier to get a visa, but not really sure how that works..
- nick0
if your papa has a hungarian passport you can too (i think thats how it works)
- winter0
i left my city to go for the mountains full of joy and spirit; i was hoping for a different thing; more close to nature and hopefully bringing new skills to where everything is about feeding the mayor's ass and stuff like that. I didn't do graphics then; i tried several times to establish different projects like a ethnographic survey company focused on local development, an outdoor training company, etc, etc, --- i turned into graphics and it also sucks here; i started a project with some guy which dumped me for a another guy who could work faster but poorly. it seems its far better to do crappy gigs and fill a client's ego with technical solutions that he doesn't really need than with a sound project for his id or whatever. I DIY studied literature and art all my life and i tell you it's useless as things roll nowadays. it's one hell of a fight to pull good work anywhere. Maybe it's our job to create quality in a way that it is always a surplus and then you'll be ok anywhere too.
right now i'm feeling on the loser's side. that's why sometimes i come here ranting over all of you.
sorry for that :/ won't happen again.
the grass is greener wherever you go; it's up to you; i keep telling that to myself every fucking morning.
- Warland0
Canadian citizens can get what's called a holidaymaker to the UK at the very least for one year. I think that goes for all commonwealth countries.
As for Toronto and a design town? Definetly better than Calgary or Vancouver (sorry guys from west coast, there is more work here by a long shot), not better than Montreal. And if the weather in London scares you Dutchboy I have one thing to say to you: -30. -30 mate.
- -leah-0
or -40!!!
damn we canadians are a tough bunch!
- johndiggity0
go to sydney.