The Power of Nightmares
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- ********0
Cool mikitan. I didn't catch all of them.
1984 is upon us.
I predict bad shit for the next four years. Very Bad Shit.
- ********0
That was indeed good viewing. A tad overstated in parts, but a fantastically well put together thesis nonetheless. They had the perfect narrator for it an all. I think deep down we all knew we were being conned, but the stacks of evidence they provided to show this was quite alarming.
- ********0
The worrying part is Kuz, that they believe their own lies.
They have re-written the "truth".
Real truth has all but been scratched from history...
Bad Shit.
- soda0
i loved the bit about the submarines in episode 2 I think....
they couldn't see any russian submarines on radar, there was no visual material to back up any subs, no evidence of subs at all... so this meant the russians had new masking technology for their subs... because the neo cons just KNEW the subs were there!
- ********0
Sounds like God and Russian subs have a lot in common for America.
- Gorbie0
believing is easier than thinking.
- vespa0
hah yea i saw that the first time round soda - and they had all those people from the CIA saying it was all totally made up and how completely ridiculous it was...
- ********0
Yeah, that's the difference between the Straussians in the 70s and the post-Reagenites, before they knew they were lying, but thought lying was necessary - now they don't even know anymore.
- ********0
We'er all voting the Lib dems in the upcoming elections then right?
Bring back the grey suited bureaucrats!
- vespa0
mos definitely kuz. i used to fear that voting lib dem might get the tories in accidentally but i guess ironically the tories are paying for bush being such a fuck up - or maybe they didn't need any help and were fuck ups quite independently. tony is in again for sure :(
- soda0
We'er all voting the Lib dems in the upcoming elections then right?
---------------see I'm fucked this election.
I believe in the vote (or I did)
I'm a born and bred labour, my old man is a trade unionist.... but now I haven't got a party to vote for anymore.
I can't vote Tory and I can't vote for The Conservatives either....
- soda0
at worst labour will get hit in a lot of marginal seats. theres no chance of them losing. it's just not possible, so maybe the best way to hurt them is vote lib dems... as painful as it is.
- ********0
TOry and conservative are the same thing!
I've never voted before, cos back in the late 90s, I was convinced politics was dead. Globalisation had destroyed the idea of nation state, and good riddance in my book. That all politicians were responsible for these days was managing the economy, and that was done by civil servants and focus groups anyway. I kept reading stuff on "the end of ideology" and i did an essay on Fukuyamas end of history in uni.
But then i started reading these books:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obi…
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obi…in it the writers talk about how capitalism needs eternal, disciplinarian wars to fend off the crisis of globalisation. And just watching what Bush is doing and how shocking it is that the Labour governments entire election manifesto this year will be based on security. How they're using terror as a way of tackling the threat of globalisation (primarily immigration and the free-flow of labour that threatens to undermine the idea of the state).
So i think it is time to vote once again, and vote for the most bland party. Even though i'm no fan of the lib dems, (politically i'm more in line with Anarchism)
- _smk0
hmmm...
'97 was my first vote and very happy I was to be getting rid of the Tories; I'm born and bred Labour I suppose (they've always been the mainstream up here). Over teh next 10 years though I've gone from "no Tories YAY!" to "No more Tonies BOO!" and I've no idea where to go now. Lib Dem's an option I may have to take, they certainly stand for a lot of the things I do - just can't shake that wasted vote feeling...
- unfittoprint0
Man, if I lived in England, I would be in a state of complete depression: I would never vote Tory, I would hate myself votind Labour [wich now has the same arrogance and lack of accountability has vintage Tory] and I would be left with Liberal Democrats, whose only appeal is that they're not named Tory or Labour.
What will disfranchised voters do?
Burn shit down?
- ********0
I'm confused on the shear number of parties in some countries. It baffles me.
- unfittoprint0
It shouldn't. It's a good thing here.
Look at the lack of options in your country.
- ********0
some of us americans would rather have just to choose from coke or pepsi, mcD or BK, republican or democrat, gap or banana republic, anything more is too complex for our little brains.
And preferably those choices should stem from the same umbrella.
- ********0
yeah max_prophet you're being a troll. no assumptions please
- soda0
TOry and conservative are the same thing!
Kuz
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I was making a funny....
Labour is the new Tory etc...
maybe I should of put // before the comment!