free pitching
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- 10mtl0
save,
sure, but if you don´t play, you can´t win.
- save0
Although I don't agree with it, it always seems worth while when you finally win one.......
- JamesEngage0
yeah exactly... bad losers!
- 10mtl0
james,
yes it does -
and it´s a bit like gambling:
if there is enough money in the pot and if you feel it, you put 3 days of your work on the table and go for it.
- JamesEngage0
it gives you a really good chance to get yourself in front of the big wigs :)
- moth0
half our clients would laugh us down the street if we charged them....
i've actually never heard of charged pitches. not in my sector anyway...
- 10mtl0
i just won a free pitch yesterday
against 9 of the biggest agencies in austriaso
if the clients phat enough
and i am confident to win
or a bit low on money
i do it
- rabattski0
if it's commission based than you have to pay (most of the time there's a contract). but commissions aren't that high. it merely covers the costs (like proper printing, transportation, meetings etc.). so it's not a big of a deal. and on the other side it's quite arrogant if you would say i'm not gonna pay if it sucks since it's almost a free pitch. plus you're asking way more than 1 agency to pitch and you just want to have the best option.
anyways that's hardly not gonna happen. it's not like a client chooses agencies based on the yellow pages, you know the quality / capability beforehand.
- smellvetica0
god my grammar's shite today.
- smellvetica0
ok, i've paid you to pitch and you miss the point completely.
and spell my name wrong.. or even worse, the project's title.
fair?
- JamesEngage0
yes. i've paid you to pitch. and it's pish.
- rabattski0
"trouble is where do you draw the line and not pay for the pitch if it is shite?" elaborate. from the client point of view?
- rabattski0
"The pitch is usually the easy part as you can just go for it. easy." yes. if you don't have a briefing (which is most of the time the case). then again, one of the most important rules is to not read the briefing (seriously). but you still work out the pitch with the idea back in your head that you have to land the job (which makes it more difficult). so really going mental on it doesn't always cut it (but is the nicest way to work on it, at least get some fun outta it).
- JamesEngage0
trouble is where do you draw the line and not pay for the pitch if it is shite?
- rabattski0
yeah. the more understanding clients pay a commission for pitches to at least cover the costs. to those pitches i say more yay than to a free pitch (which is downright annoying).
- JamesEngage0
The pitch is usually the easy part as you can just go for it. easy.
- rabattski0
"... can then return a great relationship with the client, exciting projects and a tidy financial reward."
which is very true. sad part is that you only get 1 out of 10 clients based on pitches (personal experience). but if it does it does but you have to invest a lot of time (more than you think) to get there. but in the end that's what it's about.
- smellvetica0
so then it's more like a commission?
- rabattski0
depends though. pitches really can take up a lot of time. especially if it's concept based. you know above the line, below the line, complete campaigns either tactical or strategic, sort of worked out down to a certain level of detail. i was never involved in a pitch where it was just about a poster or a sleeve design. always concepts. don't understand why a client would pitch for that, that's really something you can decide on the portfolio. if you're freelancing it's a lot easier but agencies are more sluggish though. which reminds me, clients already know your portfolio / work or else they wouldn't ask you to do a pitch.
- smellvetica0
well, recently i've been in plenty of pitches client-side. from the client's point of view, why should they pay for a shoddy last minute knocked up 'presentation' with typos and the design agency not even having done any research on the project that they're pitching for?
the best stand out from the rest and get the job, which can then return a great relationship with the client, exciting projects and a tidy financial reward.