jevad
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- blaw
i believe it was you that posted a link yesterday to a 1971 yale study regarding the relationship between guards and prisoners.
i wanted to share that link with someone but have since cleared my browser history and can't find that thread anywhere.
posting again would be appreciated.
thanks.
- Kuz0
It wasn't yale - it was the Stanford Prisong Experiment , do a google search on it - there's loads
- jox0
I've played "guard and prisoner" once.
Kinky bitch.
- blaw0
kuz:
The wrong school name was blowing my searches.
Thanks for the help.
- Kuz0
Cool - but (without having a virtu syle debate) - don't just assume what the americans did was because of the dehumanising effect of prisons. Torture is an effective way of extracting military intelligence as well. keep in mind.
- vespa0
There's a very interesting article in the Independent today regarding this: "The Destruction of Morality" by Robert Fisk.
Fisk asks some pertinent questions about the identity of the outside contractors who are advising the disgraceful practices we have seen.
"I have reason to believe General Janis Karpinski, the luckless prison commander who is going to be dumped out of the army for interrogations over which she had no control, knew "outsiders" were questioning her inmates. She was never allowed into the interrogation room. And I can see why. So, no doubt, can she.
So who were these mysterious "interrogators"? If they were not CIA or FBI staff, who were they? Several names are already doing the rounds - journalists claim they have no final proof - and a number, I understand, hold more than one passport. Why were they brought to Abu Ghraib? Who brought them? How much are they paid? And who trained them?
Who taught them it was a good idea to get a girl to point at an Arab who was being forced to masturbate, to humiliate an Iraqi by hooding him with a girl's lingerie?
We are not just talking "sick" here. We're talking professionals..."
"Lynndie and her boyfriend were not part of a "rogue" unit. They were told to do these despicable things. They were encouraged. This was an order from someone. Who? When can we see their pictures, their identity, their passports, their orders?"
- Kuz0
Exactly vespa. This was sophisticated torture techniques - not school boy pranks as we've been led to believe. One day we might know the truth.
- blaw0
actually, my interest in that article was probably founded deeper in my concerns with our correctional institutions in general.
i really wish someone had an answer for that one. personally, i'm at a loss.
- Kuz0
What answer u looking for?
- rasko40
the scary thing about that study was that it just shows how far people will go injuring and even killing somebody for no other reason than a figure of 'authority' told them to do so.
- Kuz0
I think that study showed the extent of "depravity" people are willing to sink to - WITHOUT having authority tell tham what to do. All people need is to be given a role (i.e prison guard) and they will feel morally distanced from their actions.
- blaw0
probably too long of a discussion to get into on a design board.
plus, I'd feel bad having jevad's name the title for a day-long rant regarding a specific social issue.
thanks for your help and input, though. greatly appreciated.
- jevad0
Did Kuz give you the right link? I dunno cos I can't see any of his posts. tee hee
- devaur0
I love playing guard and prisoner! It makes for great fun.
Nothing like arresting your girlfriend!
- jevad0
thats the one swollen
- swollenelbow0
=) on right on top of it...