Praise JESUS!
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- capitalJ
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a world with a few less browsers would defineately be a btter place
- ********0
good morning!
- Mimio0
good riddance.
- gravityroom0
There was a post about this yesterday. I don't understand why people think this is good for webdesign.
It means that Netscape will not get their act together with new versions. It means all those hardcore Netscape fans will continue to use old shit.
- k0na_an0k0
you bastard. i thought this would be a religious post were we could talk about the good book.
damn you... DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL YOU DAMN DIRTY APES... er.... sorry. i got carried away.
- Mimio0
They already use old shit. There are more installs of 4.7 than 6.2 & 7.1 combined. They shot themselves in the foot with all that AOL integrated crap.
- gravityroom0
Agreed. So maybe its not worse, but I don't think it will be better on us as designers by any stretch of the imagination.
Unless they could find a way to make the old browsers self destruct on peoples machines.
- mitsu0
"Unless they could find a way to make the old browsers self destruct on peoples machines. "
heheh...
>:)
- cinder0
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
What this means, essentially, is that Microsoft has completed their goal.
They've killed the web.
There is only one commercially supported free browser left - Safari.
What happens when new standards are out?
What happens if we want to f*cking write VALID CODE and have it WORK??
We're screwed!
I think NS and MS are making a HUGE mistake here.
THey think the browser is dead - and yet we are constnatly reminded every day that consumers still want one.You can't kill a browser.
Companies need websites.Yes, applications will become more intergrated with online content, with interactivity and up-t-date information, support, etc
But that doesn't mean the browser is dead.
If the browser dies, the web dies.
If we have integrated net access - that means that AOL and MS will control our access to the web.
They will be the gatekeepers forcing us to view this, and preventing us from viewing that.This is NOT good.
- lifeinsodium0
"If the browser dies, the web dies. "
How so?
"They will be the gatekeepers forcing us to view this, and preventing us from viewing that"
Isn't it about time some one pushed for web standards? Browser wars means frustrated designers. If there was one standard way of doing things I wouldnt have to test my site on 15 zillion browsers and still be paranoid that some fucker wont be able to see the site the way I want it to be seen.
- Mimio0
I'm still laughing over the idea that Microsoft wants to "Kill the Web". MS has just as much to lose commerically as any other browser developer, if not more so by such a scheme.
- slinky0
never fear my friend.. there will be more browsers to f with your mind...
- cinder0
Are you kidding?
Microsoft has nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Microsoft's entire purpose of creating IE was to edge out competitors, and then take control of the web.
It didn't like the web because, like it's other main competitor (linux) was completely free and impossible to control or market.
Look what they did:
They released IE for free to gain market share
They force-fed IE to Windows users to gain market share
They attempted to prevent other browser makers from getting their software on Windows
They fractured the web by ignoring long standing standards and created their own proprietary ones.
They finally began to 'fix' IE after it gained almost 95% market share
and then they KILLED it. Stopped production on it even though the next 'version' won't be out until 2005 or 2006.
The next 'version' of IE will be built in as a part of windows.
Can you explain to me how it's a good idea that MS will be forcing millions of users to abandon the browser and use THEIR 'internet'.
We don't even know what the hell this 'Avalon', '.NET' and 'Longhorn' thing really is.But I can guarantee you one thing - it won't run on any other operating system.
As for standards -
Well, we're basically f*cked.
Unless somehow, magically, average users start downloading Mozilla on their own we're stuck with current IE6 support for web standards until 2005 or 2006.That's THREE YEARS.
That means that 95% of the web will not get a single update to their browser, not a single bug fix, not a single improvement for 3 years.
If anything good can come of this - it's that people will get pissed and jump ship from IE to Alternate browsers and alternate OS's.
There is no more standards evangelism because the two largest browsers are dead in the water. Period.
- ********0
cinder put it well.
open your eyes kids!!
- gabriel_pc0
hey cinder,
for someone who's all about "valid code" you certainly have a lot of non-valid code in your own portfolio.
viva IE!!!!
- unfittoprint0
GO OPEN SOURCE, GOD DAMN IT!
- ********0
to netscape:
peace out stupid fucks.
to microshit:
fuck you too
- cinder0
touche!
Actually, my portfolio was done a verrrrry long time ago. Very out of date. I am well aware.
And anyway, the w3c validator is not the end-all-be-all for standards.as for Avalon/Longhorn
Yeah, I've read all of that, too.
But I'll be damned if I or anyone else (including MS!) REALLY knows what it means. We won't know until it's far further along in the development process.
All I know is that recent builds have a naaaassssty interface.
- bruno0
I am for web standards since i think it is a good thing but I am tired of the whole validation crapola. Granted the web would not be around if it were not for standards but truthfully the current web standards crowd sounds like the Victorian middle class trying to standardize the English language. Get off your computer, go outside, interact directly with a human for once instead of through validated xml w3c whatever whatever. half the time those sites are self absorbed blogs that no one reads anyway. fucking geeks. and i have a BS in Physics so i am probably smarter than you anyway. Nerds.
HA!
- gabriel_pc0
So what Mr. Physics here is telling us is that standards are good but methods of validating those standards are bad? Hmmm...I think you've been spending too much time with your BS Bruno.
Sidenote: Does a BS in Physics make someone an expert in web standards?
Second Sidenote: Does bragging about having a BS in Physics make you a nerd? Or does bragging to a nerd about not being a nerd yet still having a BS in Physics make you a nerd?