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- nesiasiatik
never bothered to do that before.. stupid me
anyway, it doesnt show customized scrollbars as IE 6 does?
any other things it doesnt show or has problems with?
i just have it for a couple minutes and i already feel like uninstalling IE haha
are there any nice Mozilla themes out there?
thanks in advance
- sparker0
the reason that moz doesn't show custom scroll bars is because that is not valid css...
if you pick up a good css book, you'll see it's not in there.
:)
as for themes - if you go to the edit->preferences menu and then under appearance and 'themes' you can find a bunch...
- protoculture0
Mozilla themes here:
http://www.deskmod.com/?show=sho…
- thirdcircle0
I just downloaded it too, I also downloaded firebird and opera.
does anyone know the major differences between firebird and mozilla?
- sherman0
mmm mozilla. i just installed as well. seems like the thing to do on a wednesday morning. anyone have some pros and cons for me?
- sparker0
the technology used and what is to be gainged from using XUL for cross platform compatibility.
- unfittoprint0
excellent choitce. go open source. go mozilla.
sparker's right. 'fancy' colorful scrollbars are not a CSS standard. Is just IE pushing their own standards...
- robert0
IE should and can push their own standards and they will continue to for years to come. I'm glad to see a bunch of you using open source browsers but as we all know IE will dominate the market place for the rest of our lives.
Stick with developing for the majority standard.
It's not like your CEO is going to say "Let's dvelop our eCommerce application for Mozilla."
- thirdcircle0
well firebird and mozilla are both standards compliant, which if you ask me would make sense, cuz if it works in mozilla then it should work just as well in IE, but not visa versa.
dunno maybe I'm off in left field here pickin daisies and dreaming of lobsters stuffed with tacos.
- unfittoprint0
'It's not like your CEO is going to say "Let's dvelop our eCommerce application for Mozilla.'
Why should he? It's PHP/ASP/MySQL/SQL/II servers he has to think about.
And if he's clever, he'll go opensource also (PHP/MySQL)...
- sparker0
hey robert, did you miss the press release from microsoft that said ie for both mac and pc will no longer be supported or developed as stand alone applications?
ie will not be around for ever, and to the dismay of so many ms fanboys, embeded browsers are not the best idea.
we'll see how supportive everyone is when non of their pretty fluff flash projects work right because the browser and the os are intergrated.
and, if a ceo said that, he's an idiot. anyone that develops purely for one web browser is not a good developer.
not everyone uses ie, nor windows. i write this to you currently from a linux notebook running fluxbox wm and mozilla 1.x
people need to wise up. open-source isn't some hippy movement anymore. with the poor choices ms is making by disbanding their browser development they are slitting their own throats slowly as a leader in web technology.
longhorn will piss a lot of people off, especially businesses and ogranizations (most of which already protest ms's licensing schemes).
- enobrev0
shawn is my hero
- robert0
Sparker I beg to differ with you on a couple of points.
CEOs, Producers, Project Managers, the people who make all the choices will not install a secondary browser nor spec out a project based on a none majority browser.
And seeing how most corporations use Windows based machines, it looks like we (working class) will be using IE that is built into windows.
This I know this only from my own experience. The company I work for has been developing applications that reach millions around the world and we ONLY develop for IE. Company policy.
We don't have the time or resources to develop, QA, 5 differnet browsers, so our moto is; ethier get IE or leave...
just my 2 cents
- enobrev0
well, i really feel it's torn.
That evolt article pointed out something very important. Mac users will be using Safari and Windows users will being using windows (IE).
It's very unfortunate (and hopefully safari keeps improving, but that's still a tiny portion of the market)
My respect for shawn is that he's a linux user.. something i can't do cuz i like bells and whistles and adobe and macromedia, but also as a desktop linux user you understand that there's a choice in every app you use.
Uncle Bob knows that he turns on the computer and the internet icon brings him to his porn and aunt mary knows that internet icon lets her go shopping.
What that internet icon is, usually is not of their concern. Some users are becoing far more savvy, but the majority just knows there's an icon they double-click and they open up the internet.
Not much we can do about that, unless one of you hacker types wants to build a niftly lil worm that disables IE and installs and makes mozilla the default browser on all systems.
IE becomes an unfortunate necessary evil, unless we start doing what all our media's writers poke fun of these days. "Best viewed with" banners.
- sparker0
What "most" corporations? I've worked for 3 different large industry corporate offices and we used Unix and Linux along side Windows?
Not even a majority use Windows, espeically in server technology.
Next, if you knew anything about Longhorn, then you know that it's built differently than all previous Windows iterations. Do you realize that in order to run current Windows applications on Longhorn, they will need to be emulated in a Windows emulator? That means Windows will no longer support it's own technologies.
All that work you do for Windows specific, IE specific services will probably fail or need to be re-written. How is that cost effective?
Mozilla is not a "secondary" browser. IE is not the end all of web technologies...in fact, it's not even the best performance or standards wise.
Your moto better change to "please use IE or our won't work anymore..."
People who locked themselves into developing solely for IE and Windows are going to find themselves dead in the water when Longhorn is released.
With the amount of cheap Linux desktop PCs hitting the market, with Dell, IBM, Apple and others following the usage and development of Linux and Unix desktops, people will be moving out of Windows/IE only world.
The fact of the industry is, unless people begin developing cross-platform, cross-browser they won't survive.
- sparker0
as far as uncle bob clicking an icon for the internet...gnome and kde rival windows in every respect - right down to the usage and display quality of type now.
ignorance is no longer an excuse...linux not a tech savvy system anymore, it has been sugar coated and simplified for even the most beginning user.
there is not a reason to even open an xterm if you don't want to.
with lindows and other win->lin systems forming, you can even run most windows software with little effort now.
the other amazing thing is about adobe and macromedia is that because of the darwin kernel, a bsd port is just trivial lines of code a way...which brings flash and photoshop closer to linux.
gimp rivals photoshop without the bloat that ps has...i'm happy to use gimp over ps anyday.
don't get me wrong. i like windows xp. i use it daily at work and at home. but, building for one technology is bad. because not all users, not all companies, not all corporations use exactly what you want them to.
- thirdcircle0
shouldn't you be developing to W3C standards. I mean if you are gonna get all anal about developing something that's gonna work then why wouldn't you develop based on those standards? standards which many browsers are built around?
dunno makes sense to me
- sparker0
it would be great if everyone realized the right way to do things and follow w3 recomendations and standards...but, alas, it's definitely not an ideal world.
- enobrev0
don't get me wrong, i push standards dev/design all the time. ask any of the guys from here that i've worked with... I'm an xhtml css junkie.
I'm just trying to say that the majority, and a large one at that uses Windows primarily.
When working as on on site technician in the Wall street Area, I worked with users at their workstations at some of the biggest companies on the block and ALL of them were using windows and bloomberg systems. Dos / sun / Linux / WinNT servers in the back (biggest server farms you've ever seen), but it was MS on the desktops. And it's those desktops that matter.
Linux is definitely making sme incredible breakthroughs in the desktop market, especially with walmart pushing $300 SuSe linux and Lindows boxes but it's still not 'there'.
Believe me, once i can install my fav. apps on a linux system without issue, I'm there full time, and pushing it on to frineds and family. But that time, although hopefully close is not here.
- protoculture0
Mozilla is a suite of applications, including a browser, mail app, contacts manager, IRC client, with the ability to add apps like a Calendar.
Firebird is strictly a broswer.
- sparker0
I do agree with some of that. :)
I would be happy to just see a port of Flash for Linux.