It's Time for Certification
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- plamenski
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>> Certification would raise professional standards and educate the public on the importance of design. It would enhance designers' profiles, increase respect for the profession and create business opportunities. <<
- Bluejam0
"Certification would raise professional standards"
No it wouldn't. It'll create more egotism in already flooded industry of chinstrokers and 'my eye-sight-aint-that-bad-but-i still-need-to-wear-glasses'...an... add to the divide that seperates 'good designers' from 'bad designers'...
...the thing that differentiates between a good designer and a bad designer is the clients intelligence...if they choose to go with the 16 yr old 'web designer boyfriend of the secretary in HR' then so be it, they'll get exactly what a 16 yr web designer can do against that of a 29 yr educated designer ...plus i doubt a good designer would want to work wth such a stoopid client who makes poor descisions.
It's a big enough world out there for everyone to have a piece of the pie...
...just learn how to eat it.
And talent is still king.
- pugdawg0
yeah what Bluejam said!
- Gorbie0
I almost agree. But don't you think it would turn out to be like a Microsoft Certification - meaningless?
Clients already have no idea what all the acronymns, we use daily, actually mean.
HTMLDHTMLPHPJSPASPIEOSPC
- monkeyshine0
...I posted this in the other thread but I'll put it here ...
..and what is certification supposed to prove again?
- exador0
trying to get a majority of designers to get certified is like trying to herd cats.
the only 2 i know that have are total dorks anyhow...
think they're art directors, when all they did was work in a printshop(not that i have anything against people that work in printshops...just that these two guys are freaks)
whatever..get all the vertification you want..
won't change anything...
- ********0
blar blar woot woot
- plamenski0
Certification demonstrates your commitment to the profession.
Certification enhances the profession’s image.
Certification reflects achievement.
Certification builds self-esteem.
Certification establishes professional credentials.
Certification improves career opportunities and advancement.
Certification provides for greater earnings potential.
Certification improves skills and knowledge.
Certification offers greater professional recognition from peers.
- monkeyshine0
I could place "the illusion of" in almost every one of those sentences and it would, imo, be more truthful.
- plamenski0
A more detailed discussion on the issue:
- ********0
ahh certification...i belive in a cert...cus it means more money...Adobe and Macromedia offer certification...who would u hire a talented desinger or a talented certified desinger...insert smart ass remark here
- ********0
certification is for schmucks like the aiga. I mean c'mon, you ever see the work they put out in their "whoopdee doo touchin dicks" gallery shows? cornball shit. the real shit comes from designers that know what's up and know how to make money on their own.
certification would ultimately become a politcal apparatus. some rich guys son will want in and since rich guy has pull he gets in. fuck certification. just go get yours.
- agentfour0
i have a certificate.
a birth certificate
- paulrand0
nah
- mbr0
Yeah, I can tell you first hand about certification.
As an architect, er, architectural designer, the licensing is bs and does nothing to distinguish good from bad. All it will do is make those that have it say 'hey, look' and if they suck, it will add cretibility to their sales pitch.
In a visually driven profession, there is no hiding. It's not business, accounting, or law, where you can't 'see' what people have done.
Certification would just hamper the business as wastes everyone's time getting the damn things.
If you are good you are good. If not, you can try harder. Pretty simple rules to follow.
- Peter0
Just curious, mbr; does those with a license genereally get better paid for the equal work of those without?
- Q0
You wouldn't ask an Artists or painters, or sculptors ... to be Certification.
I the world of visual art, Talent is King and Portfolios Tell no lies.
If you are 19 and have a kick ass book you should be working.
And who will be the group that give Certification???
Bussiness men in suits ??
- mbr0
No, generally there is no pay increase after licensure (which, by the way, takes 2-3 years of working after a professional degree, for me that was a bach and masters for 7 yrs, then it's a bunch of loooong tests, many hours - it can take a long time to pass all of them, 7 or 8, I think). Your duties do not change.
The only difference is that you can legally sign off on the drawings.Really, though, you can have an entire career without being licensed, it's just the 'normal' way of doing things (but studying 1000 page books after 70 hour work weeks can take a while, too). Almost every project you ever do will involve and engineer, and they can sign off on the drawings.
Just one of the reasons I chose an 'alternative' path in the field of architecture and graphics.
- sauerbraten0
this is a great topic, but i do feel the need for the design industry to raise the bar somewhat, i think perhaps more education somewhat garners knowledge of principle, history, etc. perspective on design.
there's alot of natural talent that can make things look beautiful, but there's a huge distinction between design for design's sake and design that solves problems. we need more engaging, thoughtful design, less BS canned software shit.
this will never be fixed, software is getting all too easy to manipulate.
- sauerbraten0
this is a great topic, but i do feel the need for the design industry to raise the bar somewhat, i think perhaps more education somewhat garners knowledge of principle, history, etc. perspective on design.
there's alot of natural talent that can make things look beautiful, but there's a huge distinction between design for design's sake and design that solves problems. we need more engaging, thoughtful design, less BS canned software shit.
this will never be fixed, software is getting all too easy to manipulate.
- sauerbraten0
whoa