Banksy show...
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coming soon...
- ringspun0
Cant wait - should be good.
Banksy's art is excellent - there is alot of it around the streets by my uni - around brick lane.
- Blofeldt0
An iterview with Banksy and the venue for his show.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/f…
Bristoltastic!
Oh Yeah!
- rasko40
what a f*cking awful article. I can guarantee that he never spoke to a barman about banksy like that - utter bullshit. And as for "Britain's No 1 graffiti artist" utter bullshit again, Banksy isn't even a graffiti writer, not in the correct context... maybe if you use 'graffiti' in the sweeping judgemental manner of a suburban daily mail reader.
And neither is this his first show, I've been to two before.
- gradiate0
Let me guess you think graffiti was invented in1970's new york and think that wildstyle is the only acceptable form it takes.
yeah the barman bit sucked but id say he has claim to the uk's top writer. unless you think fume writing it 2000 times on the westway gives him that crown.
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- rasko40
no I dont so dont go dropping a couple of names and keep your guesses to yourself.
I happen to like Banksy's stuff but I think that saying this is like saying that The Streets is the UK's number one hip hop act.
I'd rather see credit for graffiti (however you want to label it) to go to somebody with more history and talent such as say Mode 2.
I certainly dont think Fume deserves any credit for anything other than being up AC, and for the sheer size of the silver dubs by westbourne Park, I happen to think that he has no style and limited skills (rarely paints in anything other than silver) though I guess the DDS do deserve credit for being probably the one of if not the most longstandingly prolific crew in London.
- gradiate0
i see the analogy to mike streets. but in this case i think banksy has integrity, isnt a gimmick man and has lasting power. he hasnt sold out out, He hasnt done any sprite cans [yet] I think a lot of graffiti fans as you are obviously, have a problem with banksy and i dont get it. Is it because he has something to say? Or is it simple his style?
I wasnt name dropping, just using examples to illustrate the point and yeah fume sucks hence the mention. personally im a delta man pretty obvious but no one touches. Just because he is in the guardian you cant take away his achievements and pure power. Im all up for graffiti getting a kick up the arse as its such an old boys club.
- rasko40
dont get me wrong I've liked Banksy's stuff for ages and you're right he does have intergrity and no he hasn't done Sprite cans (and that was Shok1 not Mode2 tho they both have a similar style in characters).
What irritates me slightly is the way that a few media heads pick up on something, blow it out of all proportion, get the wrong angle, have no clue about the general culture and mentality behind it all and then get bored and move onto the next 'big thing' - its bullshit.
And yes Delta is also one of my faves, Daim doesn't come close for that INC style! I know what you mean about the 'old boys club' - theres a lot of snobbery mainly born from jealousy out there.
- gradiate0
yeah, i think its funny how many ads agencies have his books yet they turn their noses up at graf in the streets.
maybe he will help graf have a more positive image with the public though.
- rasko40
I think people appreciate it because its recognisable and has humour rather than the usual 'aggressive' graff.
Banksy is also clever in the way he picks spots for the work - they very much interact which is why I'm half expecting this exhibition to be dissapointing.
- unknown0
Ken Garland one of the best designer in Britain, started in the 50's... wrote a book on public lettering, voicing support for graffitti, hes one of the old school and he loves it...
get the book its great
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obi…
more on ken
- unknown0
I have the location for his exhibition if you want it
- rasko40
sounds interesting, I'll check it out. Ken Garland wrote the 'first things first manifesto' right?
- rasko40
yeah, I already linked it in the PBS.
:)
- unknown0
yeh he did...
he used to teach me, insirational fellow...
not many socialist designers in the west by the very nature of most of what we do is sell shit to people... but he managed to pull it off
- rasko40
here it is:
We, the undersigned, are graphic designers, photographers and students who have been brought up in a world in which the techniques and apparatus of advertising have persistently been presented to us as the most lucrative, effective and desirable means of using our talents. We have been bombarded with publications devoted to this belief, applauding the work of those who have flogged their skill and imagination to sell such things as:
cat food, stomach powders, detergent, hair restorer, striped toothpaste, aftershave lotion, beforeshave lotion, slimming diets, fattening diets, deodorants, fizzy water, cigarettes, roll-ons, pull-ons and slip-ons.
By far the greatest effort of those working in the advertising industry are wasted on these trivial purposes, which contribute little or nothing to our national prosperity.
In common with an increasing numer of the general public, we have reached a saturation point at which the high pitched scream of consumer selling is no more than sheer noise. We think that there are other things more worth using our skill and experience on. There are signs for streets and buildings, books and periodicals, catalogues, instructional manuals, industrial photography, educational aids, films, television features, scientific and industrial publications and all the other media through which we promote our trade, our education, our culture and our greater awareness of the world.
We do not advocate the abolition of high pressure consumer advertising: this is not feasible. Nor do we want to take any of the fun out of life. But we are proposing a reversal of priorities in favour of the more useful and more lasting forms of communication. We hope that our society will tire of gimmick merchants, status salesmen and hidden persuaders, and that the prior call on our skills will be for worthwhile purposes. With this in mind we propose to share our experience and opinions, and to make them available to colleagues, students and others who may be interested.
- unknown0
I like to say id love to follow that manefesto, but very difficult
- Blofeldt0
I think Banksy is liked by media heads is because his work transcends graffiti art and social comment. It's clever and irreverent. We all see graffiti all the time and it washes past us because it only has meaning to people who are into graffiti, Banksy's work works with subjects and themes that many more people can understand. I agree with what the interview says about it feeling personal.
I think His style is quite unique for a graffiti artist, it has more in common with Warhol than his contemporary graffiti artists, therefore I think it feels more grown up and understood because it has a reference point in art history.
- rasko40
I agree with you blofeldt (for a change) - allo but the last part where you begin to think -
"I think it feels more grown up and understood because it has a reference point in art history.
this sounds rather hypocritical and naive... I almost know what you're saying but I think you have a misguidance born out of a lack of education in the given subject. But then, everyone is entitled to an opinion.