art opinions pls
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- toulouz
do you think internet or software art with its interaction, minimalistic sometimes, pixel art, animation, conceptual styles, sound, etc has moved art forward?
or can it all be related to duchamp, beuys, etc?
is it post modern? or as manovich states "new modernism" ?
im gonna write my dissertation about it. opinions welcomed.
i have definitely seen flash, shockwave, quick time, move the goalposts on what we get here during the last year !
waddya think?
- o0o0
"... has moved art forward?
or can it all be related to duchamp, beuys, etc? "It's a big subject....
Yeah, I think it has moved art forward in the sense that it's a new tool, a new medium.I don't think there is anything *inherent* about new media art that relates to Duchamp or Beuys. I can't claim to really understand what those fools were up to... but I know their work favored a 'conceptual' aesthetic rather than a visual one. There's that kind of thing going on in new media I guess, but there's plenty of stuff that's primarily visual too.
Is it post-modern? My understanding is that it has to be "conscious" of it's historical-social-political context to be post-modern. Again, there's a whole range. Alot of visual experiments are not post-modern in that sense. They are "modern" probably, but so was picasso.
I actually don't see motion and interactivity as a huge leap in terms of the state of art.
I don't know manovich's "new modernism."
- o0o0
you have a thesis? What is your argument going to be?
- Bluejam0
Art is...more or less an idea.
The internet, computer programs ...etc are rendered redundant without an idea. So in that sense, they are not moving art 'forward'.
How does art move forward?
Where was it's start and where does it end? Technolgy can open doors in which to express ideas but at some point you've got to be careful that the technology does not suceed the idea...ie. 'check out this flash piece' rather than 'what do you think of this idea?'
- blastofv0
quite a subject to tackle! I say you need to separate the artistically influenced commercial work from the non-commercial pure artistic projects... interactive tools allow a lot of people to make a living doing experience design that may or may not be artistic, so you should search out the artists who have embraced new technologies to explore creative ideas.
interactive design is artistic in nature, but rarely approached as a strictly artistic persuit.
What the hell am I talking about?
- blastofv0
there are some cool people out there advancing fine art through interactive design, but they're hard to find
- Ctrl_Z0
I think art as with all aspects of life is a progressive form. Art itself is like a structure in which generations of artists have built upon. Regardless of meduim, the artists of today are students of old, and we are greatly influenced by them.
- reluct0
Hmm you could write thousands of pages about this topic and still be confused. I'd go for a more niche subject. Like how did a-life affect art.
- toulouz0
thanks guys, it all helps.
im in initial stage, my dissertation is due before we break for christmas.
i am going to a one day seminar at TateModern on 9th May, it has some great international speakers including Gary Hill and Lev Manovich, so this should help a lot.
http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/ev…i have not got an argument yet, i suppose i am awed at some of you guys tech stuff. Design and Art have come together imo.
i persoanlly think new ground is being broken in Art. But am watching technology at work or Art?whateva! its a subject which fascinates me, i can go the distance and sort out a good dissertation i hope.
thanks for your input, i am pasting them to a word doc for reference.
keep em coming
- MrAbominable0
"do you think internet or software art with its interaction, minimalistic sometimes, pixel art, animation, conceptual styles, sound, etc has moved art forward?"
the answer is NO. It has the possibility to move art forward but it's an incredibly limited vehicle. The tools change faster than most people can adapt to. Because of that there has been no gestation and very little maturity in the medium in which to build something plastic.
We're still living in a culture that is being heavily leveraged on video. It's a direction that has influenced culture and art heavilly and to an increasingly greater degree in recent years. And that medium is less than 40 years old, for practical purposes.
Just take a look at the impact of photograph on art in the last few years, let alone the last 20. And that medium has been around for well over a century now.
Computers and the internet have had an enormous impact on design.
there simply isn't any art that has benefited from the internet unless you make the reverse argument towards a ludite reactivism and notions of quality.
There's an exhibition at the Art Center College of Design in Pasadena, CA that you should look up. It's a collaboration between the MFA program and the faculty and grad students at Cal Tech. Technology has had an enormous impact on fine art. Particularly robotics and cognitive studies.
"or can it all be related to duchamp, beuys, etc? is it post modern? or as manovich states "new modernism" ? "
there is no 'new modernism'. Beuys and Duchamp are irrelevant to any discussion to the internet.
somebody else asked what your thesis was. perhaps if we knew what the argument was we could help further.
good luck.
- toulouz0
true reluct. i guess im crazy, lol.
but ive done essays on Dada and Minilasim already. i agree it would be easy to follow with a simple subject.
im sure im entering one of the biggest challenges of my life coz there is so few, if any, up-to-date reference books on this subject. Is is its immediancy which is a challenge
- ribit0
seems to me you are confusing art and design, or jumping straight to a discussion on art and technology but leaving out design?
- toulouz0
thanks MrA..............something to refelct upon for sure
- reluct0
LOL challenges are always good :) Aim high!
I just think you can get more useful comments when you ask simple questions.
That way we don't have to crack our brains figuring out how to reply in less than 300 words haha.
- toulouz0
no ribit, i did say earlier i thought art and design had enjoined. Especially here on NT. Most of your portfolios have art in them.
i really admire and respect the work you guys do.
- ribit0
art and design are not the same thing.... at least 'fineart', which I think you are looking at..
- corin0
I haven;t touched on art theory for a long time so I won't even try to tackle this subject to any great degree.. I would like to point out though the similarities I see with alot of interaction designa and the early bauhaus movement. I find it fascinating the way that art and industry occasionaly meet in a perfect partenship/balance online. Take NT for example. NT is tool, albeit quite an aesthetically pleasing one, but more than that is an artwork that quite effectively balances form/function and philosphy. I really don't have the vocab to accurately communicate what i mean without pictures these days.
- toulouz0
yeah im doing a fine art degree ribit, not graphic art, not design
but what is art nowadays? anything goes and our uni is very open at what we do.
but thats one of my probs, i have no tutors who know what i am talking about when it comes to "flash" art, the stuff i have seen mostly by logging on to NT
i also realise my initial post was too big subject, as someone commented. Excuse me coz i just got home from the pub in uk, my head was hyper !!!
- toulouz0
thanks ppl, i gotta hit the sack, hope i get more feedback tomorrow. its extrememly helpful
- nmdtht0
it seems that the difference between what is seen as art and what is seen as design is simply a matter of context. and context can change (you wouldn't have found a poster by, e.g., alphonse mucha in a museum in 1910, but now...).
as for new media pushing fine art - sure, i think you can make a case for that. i also find it interesting how traditional media has incorporated the look and feel of digital imagery (oil paintings that look like they've been pixel stretched in ps, or paintings that look like they were done in illustrator)
- reluct0
I heard a definition of art once I still live by.
When someone presents his work as a work of art, it is art. The only question that remains is. Is it good art, or is it bad art.
I also learned the term art has a different meaning in Europe than in for example the States.
If there's one thing new media has done for art it's making the entry level extremely low. You don't need a lot of money to start and you can exhibit your work to the world without the approval of a gallery owner or a museum.
The huge pool of artwork that followed devaluated art in a way, because people are practically giving it away. But it is also forcing the upper class artists to push the envelope even more, because there is so much competition.