Arrested for Peace
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- Sapphire
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/North…
It has been a while since I've read anything that has sent me into a raging passion of disbelief and anger. This is yet another one, I must ask, what the hell is the world coming to?
- fogle0
im not completey or really at all understanding why he was confronted in the first place? between the security guards, the police that arrested him, and the night court, did anyone ever stop and just laugh at what this guy was actually being charged for?
this seems like a made up story.
i really hope it is.
- ********0
this MUST be a joke__ or I will declare the USA a backward country right away; that needs some serious observation by UN inspectors__omfg__ this is a joke right?
- fogle0
i honestly hope that it is.
i am really starting to get pissed off thinking about it.
damn, this is lame.
- Sapphire0
i don't know guys, CNN isn't famous for jokes, but it practically feels like a joke. and not funny one.
- Fast|Runner0
Read "The Bush Dyslexicon" by Mark Crispin Miller. Lots of food for this kind of thought.
- ********0
the matter is that i am guessing that the mall has policy on no public display of political preference. They might have interpeted that peace shirt as political statement. This is usually a case since no mall wants demostrations inside the mall. Since the mall is private property, the customers must follow by the rules. The lawyer who got arrested may not have known the rules but ignorance of law is not an excuse.
For him refusing to leave the private property in any case is considered as trespassing. The guards may have mis communicated the rules.
you dont hear what the rule was and specific on this case. we cant just say that he was arrested for peace. If someone was wearing a racial t-shirt, they might of done the same thing. But you wouldnt hear of that in the news.
- Sapphire0
the story didn't mention anything about the mall having "no political statements" but if thats the case, it does shift the situation.
but still, for "peace" ? it's still an outrage
- Sapphire0
of course, only in the land of the free can this happen.
- Sapphire0
ok i take that back
- deuce0
MrDinky, couldn't then the same rule be applied to nike tshirts and the like? Isn't wearing almost any branded clothing a political statement then?
ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TRYING TO RATIONALIZE WHAT THESE FOOLISH GUARDS DID?!!?
Backwards I tell you, the whole story stinks to high heaven...
- ********0
i think it depends on how you look at it.
most malls do have policy for no political statement. most of the time peace or love symbol may be passed but you have to think of in terms of equality. law applies to all.
laws are based on moral decisions but they are not personalized for individuals.
law = limited freedom = equality
- Sapphire0
Freedom ought to be limited.
- Dubya
- Sapphire0
not that i agree with Dubya... that a-hole
- ********0
nike is a brand and does not have political affiliations.
where as peace sign is related to Green Party to a some degree.
i am not saying what they did was right but you got to understand that he rule of the law must be enforced to all to keep limited freedom.
mind you mall is a PRIVATE place, they can almost do what ever they want.
by entering the mall, you are agreeing to terms and conditions of the holder.
Wise thing for that lawyer to do was leave when asked to and files civil case but he refused to leave a private place.The guards do not have to give you a reason to ask you to leave. remember the management has the right to refuse service.
- ********0
but any democracy is a limited freedom.
honestly i really dont want to get in to freedom debate cause it is a very thin and grey line.
- Sapphire0
MrDinky has a point
- ********0
theorical true freedom is when you are free to do anything you want.
you set the boundaries of your freedom based on your morality.
in democracy, the majority sets the limits for you thus there is no true freedom.
- Sapphire0
this doesn't make the arrest any less ridiculous either though
the guy is chillin with his son, and those pigs just gots to come and bust up their party and make the man look like a foo
i am still angry at the story
- timjames0
http://www.timesunion.com/AspSto…
it was no misunderstanding, they just have some bogus policy against wearing the shirts that are sold in their own marketplace. this is where we do our shopping around here. not anymore i guess
- ********0
remember, guards called the cops. there was no politic police going around.
the guards followed the procedure of traspassing.
it sucks but hey you have to give up some freedom to gain some civil right.
think of it this way. let say this dude came to your house. and was wearing the HATE ASIANS t-shirts on. you have a rule in your house saying that anyone can enter and party but if you dont follow the rules of no hatred message, you will be asked to leave. Now this guy with this hate t-shirt dont want to leave. But its your house, so call your body guards and call the cops..
same thing...
limited freedom also gives us privacy rights and other individual right that are enforced by the law.