I have to rant.
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- Mudbone
Just finalized a site for a client that is pretty good in my own opinion. When I showed it to the client, they didn't like it. Instead they showed me a site that they like, and it's fucking terrible. Tacky as hell. Lots of useless rollovers but they love it. I just hate it, because if I make the site that they want, then there is no way I would ever show it as a portfolio piece. FUCK!
- b3lo™0
wellcome to the corporate pain in the arse!
that happened to me 4 times allready.... just do it as quickly as you can, get paid and get drunk =)
- lind0
Make the client happy. Do what they want you to do, but better.
It's hard to find good clients...
And use your initial version as your portfolio piece.
- robotron3k0
keep the site design that you love in your portfolio as a comp piece, then do the site they want for money, sure you won't be able to submit for all the award shows but it won't be waisted work... with the money you make, design yourself your own award winning marketing material...
- unknown0
in every client there is a hidden designer, or so they think. tw@s
- TNDAP0
I agree get paid and get drunk and don't let them see a fuckin 2advanced site...like fuckin kids in a toy store oh, oh I want that, mommyyyyy! I'm like uh call em up.
- unknown0
it really annoy's me. I wouldn't tell a lawyer or a bricklayer how to do their job... tw@s
- vespa0
Good advice lind.
Welcome to life as a corporate whore Mudbone.
I'm having the same problem, but I'm trying hard not to burst a blood vessel every time I encounter a client with no eyes.
Keep all the work that "they" reject for use in your portfolio, that way you won't feel like you've wasted your time.
- robotron3k0
also think about changing your technic selling to a client, include them in some of your early idea stages... that way, make them "think" they are influencing the final product, then you get buy off... and whaapang! your cherry portfolio piece...
- Danski0
Always upsetting when a client who has already realised that they should get someone else to do their artwork (because they suck, quite frankly) changes their mind halfway through and decides that everything they do is genius. If they bring out the macaroni and pasta collage, you're in trouble.
- mitsu0
Kick his ass Seabass!™
- Blofeldt0
let's have alook at the URL's
- dbox0
mudbone - not to be harsh.. but that's one of the aspects of being a designer.. revisions. So suck it up and make the revisions the best you can. Chances are you might even make something better. Be thankful you get to be paid to do something you love.
- unknown0
yea...where is the link?
*hopes its not my site!
- AOC0
i agree w/ dbox - look a designer no matter how good he is (or think he is) needs to understand the business massaging that comes with the job. I absolutely hate it when the client doesn't see the reason for every or lack every design element. The only way to be a better designer, however, is to meet the opposition in the face and figure it out. It's a huge puzzle you must figure out everytime you meet up with your clients, that's why your designers.
Hope that didnt sound like a preach!
later...AOC
- monkeyme0
Hey, one question...do you mean to say you finalized a website without the client seeing it before it was finalized?
If that's true, thats your biggest mistake. Get clients to sign off every step of the way. They're still gonna be a pain but it lessens the amount of work you'll have to do.
- 70sBaby0
Just curious.
What were the other sites and what did your finish product look like?
- k0na_an0k0
you need to go back into their office and say this...
"sit down and shut your pie holes. in my professional opinion i feel as though that site sucks my nuts, bigtime, (why goes here). -then state - i've been in this industry for (x) years and design is not only my life, but it's my passion. i feel as though the site i designed for you is a hole fuckload better because (state your case here) and if you want to go with that piece of crap you showed me than i guess i'll just have to take one up the stink star and design it for you."
or something like that. basically you need to explain to your client that you know what you're doing. tell them i wouldn't tell you how to design whatever it is they do because you just don't know what the hell it is they do... but you do however know design. ya dig?
- robotron3k0
and remember, when you say this line, "...in my professional opinion i feel as though that site sucks my nuts, bigtime." make sure and grab your crotch for emphasis!
- unknown0
HAHAHAHA! STINK STAR, HAHAHA!
that was a doozy!
- lament0
Mudbone,
i'm right there with you. but how about this - we get down to the very end, the client says they LOVE IT, and when we're just about to launch it, the client says "can we change the background color?" i'm like, "huh? no. it's integrated into the design. i would have to redesign the entire site. you said you liked it." the client's like, "i said it was a good start, but i want to be able to change things now and then." TOTAL miscommunication. i coulda smacked him. and of course, as with you Mudbone, he chose some fricken godawful colors and HE LOVES IT!
and yes - it's NOT going into the company portfolio. f**ker.