Common - Electric Circus
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- kpl0
amen. keep the flame fights on okp.
you see, this is what I meant by the fanboy mentality. making all those assumptions about sweedish folks is ridiculous, especially given that people who know about the overseas scene will tell you the realest cats out there can be found outside of the states.
in any case, I've read many reviews of phren that call it a good or great album, and they have better credentials than you have. by far.
- frankiebaby0
TNDAP:
we always get into it?
i hadn't noticed. i didnt realise we were getting into it right now.
electric circus is a music album by a hip hop guy. i love electric circus. best soulquarian effort i've heard to date, but i make a sculpture but am a painter by trade, my sculpture isn't a painting just because that's what i do for my day job.
i said nothing about me being black making my opinions more valid, i find it hilarious that people always try to fall back on that weak argument when trying to discredit what i say, even if what i say makes perfect sense.
of course my opinions are my own. i said them. i don't need a disclaimer to let you know "hey, what i'm about to say here is just my personal opinion: blah blah blah". if anyone needs to hear someone else, about to state an opinion they feel adamant about so they don't get their little feelings hurt need to grow a spine. that's redundant. and i'm redundant enough in the things that i say as it is, why warn people that what i'm about to say is my opinion. like my opinion is law anyway. haha
"people that actually live the culture vs a fucking gimmick"
how is common's new steez any less of a gimmick than the white suburban angst of a fred durst lead crew?
i mean, erykah badu used to rock fake locks before she saw the contradiction and went baldheaded, is that not a gimmick as well? and she's engaged to the artist formerly known as sense. just because somebody is doing something you like or agree with doesn't make it any less of a gimmick. the roots' whole 'we're a band that plays rap music' has been their gimmick from the jump off.
i mean, i like nas's whole black power/upliftment steez right now, but it's pretty gimmicky.
of course it's cool that i don't like it. it's preference. it's cool that you like it. it's preference.
just because i state my opinion in a forward manner doesn't mean i actually believe my word should be the end all to everything i decide to speak on. don't let ones self esteem issues or inability to stand behind their own words and convictions paint me to be this arrogant know it all. i'll be the first to tell you what i don't know. just ask :D
and if someone started listening to rap 5 minutes ago and has anything of merit to say concerning the music and the directions it should take, i'd be amazed. the fact that anyone has avoided listening to a music and subculture that's been around over 20 years says enough about their closed off and possibly racist frame and at the least prejudicial frame of mind for me to give a shit anyway. and since folks need disclaimers, this is just me personally.
cody chestnutt's album is on some poorly masterd and mixed down so it sounds out of the basement sorta junk.
and this whole black rock revival thing just strikes me as a little too sanctimonious. i mean, that's cool to be shoutin out at elvis and kenny g mos def, but the few rock joints you've done from BOBS to black jack johnson aren't exactly hittin either. and i like early kenny g. *shrug*
i've heard of kindred. i'm pissed off hidden beach is dropping another atrocious Smooth Jazz Hip Hop Covers album before kindred. who buys that smooth jazz shit?
preciate the love on the DFF thing.
kpl: that ASSumption about sweden was equally as stupid as the assumption that i only listened to these shitty, mediocre albums more than once. and whatever dumb shit that little swede said. that was the point.
i'm not thaaaaaat dumb to ignore the fact that hip hop is practice in a so called traditional sense better outside of the U.S. than in it. but being that mostly black and latino americans that share a common disadvantaged history in the U.S. are the ones that truly defined and still do define the culture, music, manners of speech, fads that the rest of the world will pick up 5-10 years later, and whatever else it's very possible that i don't really give a shit about Hip Hop imitators. even if they are good. that's like me giving props to these japanese reggae groups shoutin out selassie I and jah and talkin in patois and aint never left nippon.
that said, loop troop is pretty damn fresh. nicolay from the netherlands is fresher. and krewcial from belgium is dope.
quit mistaking me for a fanboy mr. lee, it's probably the easiest conclusion to jump to, but also the silliest.
holla back, but listen first.
- frankiebaby0
also, rock magazine critics, washed up rappers who couldn't make a dope rap record today if they tried, and prince do not constitute what's hittin as far as rap music goes.
you and i both know magazine critics are hogwash for the most part, and that's just another opinion anyway. prince aint hip hop. and chuck d need to stick to doin celebreties for the arts commercials on BET. the PE days are over (*teardrops from my eye*).
so go on with that nonsense.
opinions are like assholes, but anyone that actually thinks phrenolopiece or quality are better than previous efforts by either group has fonky breath. fonky with an o.
- kpl0
eh. you don't get it.
oh well. if I wanted to read hip-hop fanboy rantings about the "good ol' days" I would have been reading okp or rmhh. Or that stupid hip-hop sucks thread here.
fine, I'll leave sleeping (or rabid snapping) dogs lay. no reason others intolerance of different opinions should get me down.
I'll add this much: One thing I like about "magazine critics" is they tend to be good writers and I can see where they're coming from, even if I disagree. From you, you're a mystery.
- frankiebaby0
hey, you ever see someone that can sing very well, but don't have lyrics to back it up (hmm, christina aguilera comes to mind)
remember that kid in tae kwon do that was like a brown belt in class and had perfect form, but steady gettin his ass beat at school
what about that kid in high school with the perfect hurdle form but got left in the dust in every race on the weekends
how about that 6'5" guy on the ball team that couldn't dunk a ball
or that kid that could throw a baseball 99 mph but couldn't throw a strike if he tried
or that girl in history class that tries to impress with her verbosity but aint sayin shit
or a pilot with perfect marks in flight school that'll get his ass shot out the sky by a kid with a bbgun hiding on the land below
writing well means nothing if you aren't saying anything. critics are just another opinion, cept they get paid for their's and somehow people think that validates their's more.
i don't think tolkien was a very good writer, but i enjoyed the stories and socio-political allegory nonetheless.
i'm not a mystery, i make myself very plain. very plain.
them two albums are trash compared to previous efforts. if you think otherwise rap aint your mainstay, you're a johnny come lately as far as jumping on the train of their music, or you don't mind and even sometimes like substandard shit.
which is fine. what's to get worked up and defeatist aboot?
- kpl0
intolerance of different opinions.
- frankiebaby0
i'm only intolerant of ill-formed opinions.
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- unknown0
Wayne Coyne has your nutseses in a vice.
- frankiebaby0
hey, where've you been?
i haven't seen you in a while.
- pdod0
oh Frankie, I have no doubt in your supreme knowledge in Hiphop music and where its heading. I mean I'm just a white swedish dude who jerks off when listening to Eminem right?
And everytime a hiphop artist "who plays their own instruments" from the great country of USA, releases a "suck shit album", I shit myself in joy and runs down to the record store and buy it...
We all have our own opinions, I love the roots and Kweli's new albums, but their not amazing and groundbreaking. Things fall apart and Train of thought are better albums.
So, get down from your high horses and get by ;)
/p
- knots0
frankie... baby,i didn't even bother to read all of your post where you seem to think that name dropping and pointless analogies give your opinion more validity...it's "okay player"
First, you act like commons new album is to die for and the best thing since i don't know what, posting it mad times and shit 'cause you heard it a little earlier than some of us...then you change your mind and start with the whole "i didn't say it was his best (rap) album, i said it was his best(album)" whatever, dude...it seems to be the opinion of most that the kweli/roots/common albums have a few jewels on each...none of them are the best ever, i just think that hip-hop fans are starving for some decent, positive, "conscious" music that we wait so long, it ends up being a let down...so grow up a little and stop bashing the only decent hip-hop acts left out there. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean we can't .
so don't listen...or go jam out to cash money or something(since you like them better) ;)happy holidays!