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    Sorry if this has already been beyond-covered, but are any of you trustworthy froods able to point this old redundant bloke in the direction of primers on agentic coding using the likes of Claude?

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    I bumped into an ex-business partner earlier who's turned himself around after a few years of problems by swapping one addiction for another, in this case to AI.

    Whilst I can see flaws in what he's accomplished, I'm actually quite amazed at how far he's come - this guy has always been an Ideas Person, he's never been a coder or in any way technical even, and I'm seriously impressed by what he's managed to accomplish.

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    • Just ask it everything. AI is the easiest software in history.Frosty_spl
    • I would say the most important thing is just to have a general understanding of programming fundamentals, how web development works etc.yuekit
    • For tutorials on how to use the AI tools themselves, maybe try YT videos
      https://www.youtube.…      yuekit
    • Yeah the 'just ask it everything' is absolutely not the path I want. I've got a lifetime of vague coding logic behind me, so I just want to avoid pitfalls.Nairn
    • I spent a chunk of the weekend watching youtubes and I think I'm now more confused than ever...Nairn
    • Maybe just try building a project. IMO "vibe coding" is an interesting challenge. It's kind of like the art of figuring out what to do when you don't know whatyuekit
    • you're doing, or at least there are gaps in your knowledge. Your job is now guiding the AI and there's definitely skill involved with that but you'll probablyyuekit
    • learn more from just working through a real-world project. Especially a topic or domain you're already familiar with.yuekit
    • My concern is more
      - doing things efficiently (tokens)
      - doing things modularly
      - not ending up with spaghetti code      Nairn
    • ..that I don't understand.
      I'm trying to work through the Skills logic in Claude. There's just so much garnished nomenclature for this old man 'ere....      Nairn
    • If using Claude you can switch to Claude Sonnet which is more of the workhorse model rather than Claude Opus and probably won't run out of tokens.yuekit
    • As far as the danger of ending up with bloated or poorly written code, I think that's more of a concern for people working on big challenging projects.yuekit
    • But this is where using AI for ideation ahead of time can come in handy. It helps to go through several rounds of planning and develop a technical spec.yuekit
    • Then provide that spec to the coding agent to use as a blueprint. There's no need to leave anything to chance. Also can debug afterwardsyuekit
    • I disagree with the 'challenging projects' assertion - I've something in mind that is beyond my normal ken that I want to make, but I'd NEED to understand...Nairn
    • ...every component, within reason, otherwise I might end up costing myself a bit, and besides - how else could I improve upon it?Nairn
    • Or, actually, maybe I don't disagree. I want to make something that I would find massively challenging to me. I get the logic underpinning it (been ...Nairn
    • .. thinking about it for a few years now), but I'm not a coder at heart. No real interest. Can't be bothered. But do very much want the end result.Nairn
    • "Can't be bothered to properly learn two languages" I mean. I can be bothered to Do The Thing.Nairn
    • Are you still doing the laser engraving business? I feel like there could be a lot of possibilities with AI for something like that.yuekit
    • What I meant by challenging is that when you hear people talk about the danger of agentic coding producing spaghetti code, this probably applies more toyuekit
    • complex projects or mission-critical applications. If you're making a React website or a WordPress theme, the AI is basically just snapping pieces togetheryuekit
    • and has been trained on countless examples. Should vet everything obviously but in all likelihood the result will be perfectly fine.yuekit
    • :) Yes, I want to make an automated site that people can use to make certain basic things, and derive costings automatically, then hopefully push to payment.Nairn
    • So you can perhaps envisage why I'd want each of those steps to be foolproof and understood, otherwise - problems.Nairn
    • I've long known How it would work, to a very specific degree, I'm just not acutely-skilled to actually code it.Nairn
    • I see what you mean. I think something like that can be made to be reliable though, especially if calculating the price is a straightforward formula.yuekit
    • General approach I would suggest...document your idea in detail (this is half the battle with AI coding), vet the idea with the AI on how to implement it,yuekit
    • best technologies/framewo... to use etc, develop a technical spec, give that to coding agent to develop a prototype.yuekit
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