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    Iran’s Ali Khamenei vows Hezbollah and Hamas will not back down

    https://www.theguardian.com/worl…

    • https://i.imgur.com/…Gnash
    • surprise!OBBTKN
    • lol GnashYakuZoku
    • not a surprise at all. cunts are gonna cunt. all sides.renderedred
    • Do you think Iran and Hezbollah wanted a confrontation with Israel right now? Or was it only the decision of a few people in Hamas?yuekit
    • It was a decision made by Israel and the US in my view.renderedred
    • Netaniyahu needs war to stay in power, the right wing in general needs it here in Israel. This is how they thrive.renderedred
    • I mean the attack that started all of this a year ago. Of course Hamas would say they are responding to earlier actions by Israel but this is what kicked offyuekit
    • The question of Gaza and the West Bank could have and should have been resolved a long time ago.renderedred
    • the current conflict.yuekit
    • And then Rabin got killed after Netaniyahu called for it from a balcony in Jerusalem. That was 20 years ago!renderedred
    • Sorry 30 years ago ;)renderedred
    • What happened on Oct 7 last year was Israeli military and intelligence sleeping on the job...renderedred
    • And that is Netaniyahu's fault before any other person.renderedred
    • So, he needs war, otherwise he's done for good.renderedred
    • It's more like they fucked around and now they find out

      Bibi & co. going after the heads of the snake, so this guys days are numbered
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    • I'm not saying Netanyahu isn't to blame but people in Hamas made a decision to attack Israel right?yuekit
    • https://en.wikipedia…renderedred
    • It's a known fact that Israel helped establish Hamas, read the above article...renderedred
    • Yeah they were preparing for a few years, but nobody took them seriously
      They did this to themselves, and in the process basically destroyed Gaza and Liban now
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    • Graf is right, Bibi even supported Hamas in order to weaken the PLO.renderedred
    • what a surprise! Anyone thinking Isareal will shut them down forever is totally out of touchHAL9001
    • Seems like they supported Hamas to discredit the Palestinians and it certainly backfired but I don't think Netanyahu mind controls the leaders of Hamas.yuekit
    • when suitcases of money were flowing to Gaza (Hamas) nobody did nothing on the Israeli side. So what was going to happen if not what happened...renderedred
    • So I guess they let the proverbial genie out of the bottle. And when people say they support Palestine, they support a people who are caught in the middle of_niko
    • A shitstorm and self- inflicted wound that Israel caused._niko
    • In that case I guess Hamas is doing what Netanyahu wanted?yuekit
    • Netaniyahu is to blame for everything in the last 30 years... Nobody else.renderedred
    • But you'll also hear people on the pro-Iranian side saying they 100% support the attack on Israel...it's difficult to come up with a coherent narrative.yuekit
    • The real victims are innocent Palestinians.renderedred
    • @yuekit don't look for a coherent narrative in the middle east. :)renderedred
    • Yeah no disagreement there or that Israel created the larger conditions that led to this. Didn't Hamas cite the conflicts over the mosque in Jerusalem?yuekit
    • They have different culture, not compatible at all with Western values - this will go on forever
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    • But in terms of the decision to pull the trigger on attacking a year ago, people in Hamas did make that decision...and it seems like they made it alone.yuekit
    • But would love to see this version of Iran make a come back

      https://www.bbc.com/…
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    • that incident was fueled by Ben Gvir, an extreme right wing minister under Bibi...renderedred
    • Netanyahu then capitalized on it the same way Bush did with 9/11 and Iran and Lebanon got drawn in.yuekit
    • That version exists and then some in the diaspora._niko
    • Ben Gvir is a Kahane disciple.
      https://en.wikipedia…
      renderedred
    • Ben Gvir was barred from serving in the IDF for his terrorist views. And now he's a minister...renderedred
    • Who do think has the best chance of being elected after Netanyahu?yuekit
    • listen to Prof. Leibowitz:
      https://www.youtube.…
      He said it a long time ago...
      renderedred
    • @yuekit probably Bennet, another right wing idiot...renderedred
    • Left wing politics died in Israel a long time ago.renderedred
    • So did democracy...renderedred
    • Yeah seems the entire Israeli society has drifted to the far right so how will there ever be a compromise at this point?yuekit
    • very difficult for anything positive to happen.renderedred
    • but the Israel-Egypt peace treaty was done by a right wing Israeli government. you never know ;)renderedred

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