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    So a lot of the media and pro-Palestine gang went with (dis)info by Gaza Health Ministry (run by Hamas) which pulled a 500+ causality figure out of their ass.

    Such a causality figure would need the buildings and surrounding buildings to look like this.

    Not a small crater, few burnt cars and shrapnel damage at buildings.

    "ffs, don't trust tweets"... somebody said. But the tweets contain the information that was gathered from sources other than Hamas run health ministry.

    Welcome to fog of war.

    But even with enough evidence those who are always anti-Israel will never admit that there's big interest by Hamas and their supporters (Iran, etc) to always blame the Joos.

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    • Israel War Room is a US-based activist group who pay a grand a month for their gold checkmark. Nothing official about them.face_melter
    • I only "quoted" them for this particular case, not because they may be a non-biased source.NBQ00
    • A few times in the past the IDF did falsely blame Hamas or Islamic Jihad for killings, then quietly admitted their own culpability a few months later.yuekit
    • So you can't really just go with automatically believing either side. But yeah some of the media screwed up badly this time, they should have waited.yuekit
    • I guess the protests against the actual bombers will be starting anytime nowGnash
    • Israel War Room is run by a child?canoe
    • the hamas claims were verified by an isreali gov't aide claiming responsibility for bombing the hospital in a tweet that was published by reuterskingsteven
    • then deleted... that's either the most shambolic thing i've ever seen or a deliberate attempt to cause mistrust of the presskingsteven
    • I think people tend to dramatically underestimate the degree of random fuckups and coincidences in the world. As the saying goes, never assume maliceyuekit
    • when stupidity will explain it. Many people at the time were repeating that Israel bombed the hospital... one guy with connection to the Israeli governmentyuekit
    • also did. But he's not the official spokesman and has gotten things wrong before.yuekit
    • i get it but... the press confirmed it on the back of his tweet yet the blame has fallen on BBC/ NYT etc. rather than this Israeli numptykingsteven
    • it is quite clear from the timeline and how much that tweet was shared before the attack was reported as Israeli who the primary source waskingsteven
    • I thought it was Palestinian officials the media was relying on. Anyway the irony of that guy wanting to do PR for Israel but this is probably his greatestyuekit
    • impact on the conflict.yuekit
    • lol. it's Israel's fault. beautiful, just breathtaking logicGnash
    • no gnash, talking about the how the media response and public perception is being manipulated on both sideskingsteven
    • @yuekit i think you are right and it was just a shambolic tweet. but it did contribute to how the story unfolded. even then the headlines are "Palestinians say"kingsteven
    • in that NYT screengrab and here we are still wondering why they said it... so they weren't wrongkingsteven
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