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I don’t really get how some of my (white, privileged) friends are going to protest marches “in support of Palestinians”
Like, I would understand marching for peace (as ineffective as that may be) but like, Hamas is made up of Palestinians, no? I know the difference and I know that not all Palestinians support Hamas, but many do, right? Seems to me that being pro-Palestine is to SOME EXTENT being anti-Israel
Please educate me if I’m wrong. I’m only trying to understand
- Feels like a two-state solution seems like the most fair, from an outsiders perspective. but I understand how politically both sides would oppose that********
- We are WAY beyond a two state solution at this point, young grasshoppacherub
- We are?********
- Ya, last week has pretty much sent the whole process back decadesGnash
- Yes, and it seems on its way to getting worse, not good :(OBBTKN
- not that it's that hard to understand mutual exclusivity but no Israelis and Palestinians chose to be born there or chose to be indoctrinated in to religiouskingsteven
- feuds. but support for Palestine is largely due to Israeli oppression. Anti-apartheid in the same way people supported Mandella.kingsteven
- i'm only guessing that people that can't get their head around this have been totally unaware of the humanitarian crisis unfolding over years, all the rallieskingsteven
- , the convoys of aid that have been sent and denied. that the UN never has never condemned an act of Hammas as terror, that Jewish academics call it apartheid.kingsteven
- the Israeli govt' is failing domestically yet still has overwhelming western support. so protesting a potential genocide - being performed in your name...kingsteven
- is really not anti-Isrealkingsteven
- "not all Palestinians support Hamas" isn't even the issue. it's really not your fault if you support the same football team as your father etc.kingsteven
- as with the dispute between NBQ and Cont. where he equates not denouncing a terrorist attack to support. it really shouldn't need to be explained to anyonekingsteven
- with morals that is capable of reasoning that this is false equivalence.kingsteven
- to the point i would say people that can't sympathise probably have their own hang-ups that prevent them from having a logical humanitarian responsekingsteven
- Wow! “It’s not your fault if you support the same football team as your father” is one of the craziest justifications for terrorism that I’ve heard********
- I don’t think you can accuse Israel of wanting genocide while ignoring the fact that Palestine supports Hamas********
- Wow. Dad’s football team ≠ dad’s death cultGnash
- it's not justification of terrorism. it's understanding having grown up in a warzone with friends that would have killed eachother on sight 30 yrs agokingsteven
- I'm talking about the idea that you would blame Palestinians for support of Hamas being equivalent to blaming someone for supporting a football team. I am notkingsteven
- equating sports and terrorism obviously ffskingsteven
- Yes I know. It’s still a fucking crazy justification for terrorism********
- By the same logic one could argue that Jews are justified in supporting Israel’s bombing of and expanding into Palestine.********
- of course but the only people denying Isreal's right to exist in the west are Nazis while some people on this forum are weighing up their conscience in thekingsteven
- face of the obliteration of Palestine?kingsteven
- how else do palestinians fight an apartheid policy? maybe they create a group like hamas?doesnotexist
- But less like Hamascanoe
- Just fyi neither side wants a two-state solution********
- I’ve heard Jewish interviewees say “there is no such thing Palestine, it’s all Israel” and of course you know Palestinians would remove Israel if they could********
- Pretty fucked up that the west could solve this, and we all know how********
- Feels like a two-state solution seems like the most fair, from an outsiders perspective. but I understand how politically both sides would oppose that