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- @Rendleshapesalad
- @ whoever thinks this thing didn't come from a lab. He neglects to mention how the wuhan Lab was joint venture with French scientists, who pulled out and couldshapesalad
- not sign off on the completion of the lab as it was so poorly built and ran by the chinese.shapesalad
- * poorly ran.shapesalad
- This guy is also a well-known climate change denier who's heavily invested in the coal industry.yuekit
- An article he wrote about a decade ago...
https://archive.is/M…yuekit - He also thought AIDS came from a lab
https://documents.uo…yuekit - Of course it's possible SARS-2 came from a lab somehow but I think it's important to check the background of these people presenting themselves as experts,yuekit
- because on such a complex topic like this, they can easily misrepresent or leave stuff out (and usually do), leaving you with the wrong impression.yuekit
- The entire genome of the ancestral strain is known and would have telltale evidence of manipulation. But the thing is, it doesn’t even matter.ptrdo
- SARS-1 started at an animal market. SARS-2 also started...at an animal market, selling the same species that were found to be carriers of SARS-1.yuekit
- They even traced samples of the virus to a specific animal cage at the market. The lab was a 30 minute drive away on the other side of the city.yuekit
- But because China never provided samples of the actual animals (they officially deny they were sold there), people concluded it didn't come from animals andyuekit
- started coming up with the alternative theory it came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. When there's a much simpler coverup staring everyone in the face.yuekit
- You know, if Chinese wet markets are anything like the ones I saw in Vietnam, they are breathtakingly unsanitary affairs.Continuity
- And they're full of things we should be eating. Bats aren't good eatin'. So, it makes all the sense in the world to me that this thing started in a wet market.Continuity
- Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.Continuity
- *shouldn't be eatingContinuity
- These practices were supposed to be outlawed in China after SARS-1, but it continued in Wuhan in the exact neighborhood where the pandemicyuekit
- seems to have started in late 2019. And this could only have happened with the involvement of the CCP...yuekit
- This reporter was in China at the time and actually went to Wuhan to investigate
https://twitter.com/…yuekit - He uncovered connections between the market owners and organized crime, and even with Xi Jinping's family. The CCP began harassing him and he left China.yuekit
- @yuekit Why do you believe the CCP?Morning_star
- @Morning_star, I don't think yuekit believes the CCP at all. Quite the contrary. The CCP harassed the reporter until he fucked off.Continuity
- Which do you think is better for the CCP: lab leak or market source?Morning_star
- Which do think is better for Western Governments: lab leak or market source?Morning_star
- Neither. This really is — in my opinion — the product of some very stupid people, eating stuff they shouldn't be eating, and selling it in the most unsanitaryContinuity
- ... conditions imaginable. China has nothing to gain by creating this virus intentionally. Their own people died of it in droves. Conversely, the Weast hasn'tContinuity
- ... got much to gain (politically) from this disease either.Continuity
- Anyway, the fact is *if* China created this virus intentionally, it could reasonably and rightly be seen as an act of war by the West.Continuity
- But the US's own intelligence services haven't found any reason to believe the lab story until now, and we're three years into the business.Continuity
- And despite the CCP's recent posturing, I highly doubt China is in much of a mood to get into a shooting war with anyone in the last few years.Continuity
- @Morning_star Which one is worse, I think it would depend on the details of what happened. But what gets overlooked is that the animal industry in China isyuekit
- worth a lot of money -- $74 billion according to this.
https://multimedia.s…yuekit - If the origin had to do with fur farming or traditional Chinese medicine, I do actually think they would prefer the lab explanation.yuekit
- Particularly since the lab leak speculation seems to have changed focus now, away from China and towards the USA.yuekit
- And here you can see Chinese state media is promoting some of this stuff...
https://twitter.com/…yuekit - @continuity & Yeukit, The political impact of 'lab-leak' is insanely negative for both the Chinese and US/(western) governments. Wet market origins, even...Morning_star
- ...though no animals ever tested positive for Covid, are incredibly convenient.Morning_star
- Morning_star just like with the anti-vax stuff you have to look past the popular impressions that are out there. Yes if there was a lab leak and if it involvedyuekit
- both China and USA governments, it would be bad for them. But do you think the US is currently covering this up? Why hasn't anyone leaked this info in the pastyuekit
- three years? There's a lot about this narrative that doesn't add up.yuekit
- There's a lot about both narratives that doesn't add up. The fact that CCP controlled the data is a huge one.Morning_star
- What doesn't add up about the narrative it came from the wildlife trade? There are things that are unknown but nothing that can't be explained.yuekit
- @yeukit, the GI tract is a cauldron of acid—SARS-CoV-2 can't live there, so eating bats didn't spread this. Maybe the live breath, if you sucked-up to the cage...ptrdo
- ...But what was traced to a wet market was the first KNOWN case. This virus is crazy infectious and most often asymptomatic—it could've been spreading for months...ptrdo
- ...COVID takes a week to incubate post-exposure, another to put someone in hospital, and then took time to diagnose. Meanwhile, one infection could've made 1000s...ptrdo
- ...COVID was in the US for a month before verified cases were found in hospital. At the time, it was barely detectable from pneumonia. By then, it was everywhere.ptrdo
- The most likely scenario is that it spread from a bat to another animal and then to humans.yuekit
- https://twitter.com/…yuekit
- ^ Looking at an image like that you can see pretty easily how this could happen. Animals like mink are raised on farms with dozens or hundreds packed into theyuekit
- same building. They come into contact with bats or other animals, and the virus spreads quickly among the farmed animals, mutating to be better adapted toyuekit
- this type of animal -- which happens to easily spread diseases to humans.yuekit
- #lableakftwGnash
- No need to explain why right? It just is :)yuekit
- I'm not ruling it out. Maybe the new Republican Congress will come up with some info that somehow neither the Trump admin or the Biden admin did.yuekit
- It's all in the hands of Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene at this pointyuekit
- ^^ sigh.
COVID is not an American disease, and our feckless politicial posturings are unlikely to even acknowledge the facts when they are known.ptrdo