Russia-Ukraine Invasion
Russia-Ukraine Invasion
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- yuekit2
- the first speaker (John Mearsheimer) is a dupe of profound proportions. his understanding of the conflict is profound wrong.pr2
- second speaker (Radosław Sikorski) is all right - though probably not particularity inspiring.pr2
- 3rd guy (Stephen Walt) has no understating that ideological systems have different moral values. putting equal sign between Russia and the West is false.pr2
- 1st guys is basically lair paid by Putin (or just a obtuse idiot)pr2
- damnit...I found the first guy most convincing, even close to how I think about conflict. I'm an idiot.uan
- I probably should stop thinking life is the most valuable thing we have.uan
- short war with Russia = more wars to come = MORE lives lostpr2
- I found the Polish politician the most convincing..he's bringing the "realism" of actually living in ex Soviet country.yuekit
- so the other equation would be
long war with Russia=less wars to come=LESS live losts?uan - both 2nd and 4th guy have actually dealt with Putin and the Moscovies. The other two are just paid by Kremlin, nothing else.pr2
- Mearsheimer's view makes sense in an alternate dimension where Putin is trustworthy, has a clear set of demands and invading Ukraine addresses them somehow.yuekit
- But that is far from reality. Even people on the pro Russia side are still debating why the war happened...and Russia currently refuses to negotiate at all.yuekit
- Russia posted a clear set of demands 3 months ago: https://www.qbn.com/…
I think the negotiations stopped meanwhile.uan - So one of their demands is that Ukraine, the country being invaded, cease military action? I don't think they intended this as a serious list, ask the next dayyuekit
- and it will be Nazis or biolabs or something.yuekit
- Remember this is what Russia was saying before the invasion...yuekit
- https://www.euronews…yuekit
- They weren't saying here are our demands, give in or we invade...they just straight up lied as if they didn't care about negotiations and wanted to start a war.yuekit
- I could reply with 'what about the mil. exercises that were held before the invasion around Ukrainian borders. A show of force as a warning.'uan
- but I think it's in the nature of war propaganda to convince people they are on the right side, in both camps.uan