America is Fucked
America is Fucked
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- PonyBoy1
Dems have the Presidency... the Congress AND Senate. All they have to do is fucking act... they do not require any Republican votes to make abortion legal across the board. Why the fuck don't they move on a Nat'l Bill RIGHT NOW to fix the obvious upcoming abortion fiasco when the real court decision comes out early summer?
*giggle... cuz even though the Dems run the show right now you're never going to get many of these Fucks to go on the record as many of them are still living in faith-driven communities or they're faith-driven themselves (plenty of old religious Dems still in power... including our Catholic Old-Fuck-in-Chief).
For nearly 50 years these cowardly fucks left this decision to the court (which is fucked... the court rules on EXISTING law... they don't MAKE law). The Constitution doesn't mention 'abortion' etc and therefore you need to get this shit on the books AS LAW. That requires Nancy Pelosi etc to do something... and they could do it RIGHT NOW but so many of them are fucking cowards.
- Joe Manchin is why.robotinc
- He’s not alone... if there was just an abortion bill (take out all the other shit like the filibuster etc) it still wouldn’t pass and not just cuz of ManchinPonyBoy
- Senator Kyrsten Sinema has pledged to block Biden's agenda as well. So no the dems do not control the senate.utopian
- Democrats Manchin and Sinema have already blocked the Voting rights act, Build Back Better, spending bills, etc..utopian
- Seems it's all feedom unless it's a women's body. Even the Irish sacked that insanity off for fuck sake.PhanLo
- PhanLo... please define what a 'woman's body' is...
...*runs :PPonyBoy - Having an abortion shouldn't be against the law. It's been proven time and time again that the people who are against abortion just want the child to be born..PhanLo
- ..but after that don't give a fuck about its well being.PhanLo
- Freedom and Free Speech...unless you are a woman or live in Florida.formed
- This *giggle... and *runs :P shit is so fucking childish, and diminishes the impact of your words. And I suspect you're a grown man.BuddhaHat
- I giggle when there is no common sense in the reality I’m speaking to or questioning... We recently had a nominee for our Supreme Court who couldn’t define...PonyBoy
- ... the term “woman”... that should leave you crying or laughing in confusion... me— I just giggle (even as a grown man).PonyBoy
- Dems would need 60 votes to pass something like this... they have 50... but by all means continue with your rant...yuekit
- ...about how everyone else is stupid :)
You're not wrong there are a handful of anti-abortion Dems but overall I don't think your analysis is correct...70% ofyuekit - Americans support reproductive rights, only 30% want to ban abortion according to poll I saw today. This really is an extremist decision that will lead to ayuekit
- at what point did I challenge anyone's intelligence? (stupid?) Don't get all silly w/your response kitty when mere cloture got in the way of my point <3PonyBoy
- fiasco as you said, and the blame lies squarely with boomer Republicans and their weird obsession with overturning this one law regardless of consequences.yuekit
- It's not and never has been... a 'law'. A court ruling is not 'law'. To let something that's NOT law stew for nearly 50 years comes w/it's own "consequences".PonyBoy
- A Supreme Court ruling isn't a law but it absolutely does carry the force of law. I think nearly all conservative justices said that Roe v. Wade was settledyuekit
- and that they believed in the principle of "stare decisis" in their confirmation hearings, under oath...they all lied in other words.yuekit
- If you want to take an extremist view and start overturning everything that wasn't based strictly on the exact words of the Constitution I'm sure that soundsyuekit
- nice to some conservatives but the reality will be mass chaos...good luck with that lol.yuekit
- “Doctrinal limbs too swiftly shaped may prove unstable.” —RBG
She felt R v. W was flimsy from the outset and foresaw this.PonyBoy - Bernie's been begging for used that the ruling be codified... my point of bringing up RBG and Bernie is that a SC ruling doesn't have the weight of a law.PonyBoy
- Bernie's been begging *for yearsPonyBoy
- The Supreme Court could simply overrule any abortion rights law so when you say one has more weight than the other does that really make sense?yuekit
- So yes in theory Dems could codify abortion...but it would require 60 votes which they don't have and could be overruled by the Supreme Court anyway,.yuekit
- Defeated by cloture... SO CLOSE!
:)PonyBoy - And yeah—if the law were deemed unconstitutional the SC could overrule it. A SC ruling overturned by itself though (never being made a law by a legislature)...PonyBoy
- You gonna pretend this doesn't exist? Everything needs 60 votes except for certain budget legislation.yuekit
- So no they cannot do it RIGHT NOW...we get to witness the consequences of the batshit insane conservative legal movement.yuekit
- Based on your reasoning above, I guess gay marriage will be the next to go right?yuekit
- ... goes to show the Supreme Court should probably decline to hear such cases and 'maybe' send a memo to the other two branches to actPonyBoy
- You're making it sound like the Supreme Court is somehow obligated to overturn their own rulings... when in fact the SC is very much not supposed to do thisyuekit
- I thought conservatives were supposed to be realists...the reality is it is almost impossible to pass major legislation these days, especially on such ayuekit
- "Everything needs 60 votes except for certain budget legislation."
Hmm—It's a long shot but could there be a creative budget maneuver that could slip this in?PonyBoy - I can sense you rolling your eyes right now... :)PonyBoy
- divisive topic. Roe may not have been perfect but it worked...conservativ... states were even able to add plenty of restrictions. I suspect John Roberts wanted toyuekit
- preserve the status quo for exactly this reason. Too bad it turned out all the other conservatives on SC are insane.yuekit
- semi-topic change: Dems want the 'buster gone. Dems fucking w/it opened the door for Pubs to fuck it w/it which gave us these recent 3 conservative SP fucks...PonyBoy
- *SC fucks...PonyBoy
- I kind of feel you either kill cloture altogether OR restore the filibuster to include all judicial nominations... but yeah - always deadlocked w/it intact.PonyBoy
- lol Ponyboy you're trying so hard to find a reason to blame "the libs." Sound like people trying to blame Ukraine for the invasion of their country.yuekit
- Conservatives planned this shit for decades, groups like the Federalist Society would search out candidates with these specific extremist views andyuekit
- pressure Republicans to nominate them. Remember that none of Trump's justices were people he personally picked out, they were all pre-vetted candidates byyuekit
- these ultra-conservative legal organizations. As a result, the justices on SC are far to the right of the average Republican, much less average American.yuekit
- I'm not blaming a soul...you seem to have a mad distaste for one side and are projecting that on me(?) I'm all for solidifying the law... just via legislation.PonyBoy
- I'm questioning how to get there and— yeah—wondering who to blame (both sides fuck w/the process).PonyBoy
- "Sound like people trying to blame Ukraine for the invasion of their country."
kindly fuck yourself for that one, yuekitty... pretty douchey and low for you.PonyBoy - OK sorry you're right that was a bit over the top...but it does seem like you are reaching here in saying Dems can easily pass legislation.yuekit
- I think it will be hard to put the genie back into the bottle at this point...even by leaking the decision, whoever did that has essentially locked it in place,yuekit
- in that right-wing justices now can't back away from it without disappointing religious conservatives and Federalist Society. They had one job, and it was this.yuekit
- Realistically we're probably headed for a situation like with marijuana legalization where it gets legalized state by state over time.yuekit
- I admit my post was an emotional outburst more than anything & that cloture needs to go first... however I'm still up for some clever "budget maneuvering" :)PonyBoy