Russia-Ukraine Invasion

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    war sucks and i hate everything to do with what's going on right now, but it is fucking mind boggling how much the US is into this shit.

    first the "it is unacceptable to invade a sovereign nation that has done nothing wrong"

    then treating putin like he's trying to be some sort of hitler meets alexander the great

    and then the media being all sprung they can finally write about a war that we didn't start so their bullshit won't offend any of the mainstream electorate

    plus hillary clinton talking about how after we gave afghanistan weapons decades ago to stand up to russia, the russians lost. she never did mention the part it gave bin laden the training to fight the US but hey, maybe she's just forgotten about 9/11

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    • except that it isn't just the US.
      @colin there were no people on the streets of Budapest last night and it's a Saturday night.
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    • you can feel that people are scared.
      it's hard to understand if you aren't from a country what got burned so many times...
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    • US is still the biggest supporter of NATO, Ukraine asked for help from the NATO. If they interfere directly we are at WW2, so everybody is doing a
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    • "passive exercise" and trying to help in ways that doesn't involves official NATO or US troops on the ground or in the air.
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    • We are not naive, we understand the role of the West in this mess. But it's ultimately Putin that pulled the trigger.palimpsest
    • I tell you this as I listen to a John Mearsheimer talk on Ukraine.palimpsest
    • I still couldn't listen through that speech. I can't agree with some of the things he is saying, like he is ignoring the fact that the collision zone would be
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    • closer to western europe if ukraine doesn't moves to the western side of the ledger...
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    • Ukraine has the right to choose whatever side they want to choose. Just as Cuba did in his comparaison.palimpsest
    • I assume sted and I are talking about Mearsheimer.
      If so, good on you for following a conversation thread, sted.      palimpsest
    • Is that worth the watch, Palimpsest? It's been on my Watch Later list for a week or so now, but an hour and a quarter's a lot to dedicate...Nairn
    • This one, I presume?
      https://www.youtube.…      Nairn
    • I stopped halfway through. It's very straightforward though but not much new.palimpsest
    • I have this recent interview on queue. Might be more up to date:
      https://www.newyorke…      palimpsest
    • https://www-newyorke…palimpsest
    • Sorry, Google it I guess.palimpsest
    • What I disagree with in his realist view is that the countries caught in between the main actors are (should?) only be treated as pawns.palimpsest
    • I thought this was a better read (French):
      https://drive.google…      palimpsest
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