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    Boris Johnson's former advisor claims "herd immunity" was the UK government's official strategy until last fall

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    • A year and a half in, has any country achieved anything approaching herd immunity without vaccines?yuekit
    • Thinking back to how many people advocated this idea...yuekit
    • depends on who you ask. I hear there’s this one silly fool who is convinced nyc reached it long ago and everything we are doing is pointlessmonospaced
    • this is a bit daft, because dominic cummings says? 'fall', 'the guardian' - do you know anything about the UK? :-Dkingsteven
    • fact is we cant pin anything on these cunts because the EU have been such dicks about AZ and now we're nearly vaccinated to a level where herd immunity comes inkingsteven
    • @kingsteven I definitely remember herd immunity being embraced by UK gov in the early stages of the pandemic.yuekit
    • the guy making claims in this article was supposedly behind it, then firedkingsteven
    • it's now being pursued by the opposition (hence the guardian running it) but it doesn't have a chance of sticking to boris like usualkingsteven
    • @king, he's supposedly leaking documents this week that prove his claims explaining why our early response was so slow... whether he does though I have no idea.fadein11
    • Telegraph has published 5 stories (equal to the guardian) in the last 5 days on this Dom story so to say it's pursed by the 'opposition' is not quite right ;-)Bluejam
    • Just (badly) explaining why the guardian are so willing to publish unfounded claims of a co conspiritor.kingsteven
    • I don't doubt it for a second - i just see 'pursued herd immunity as policy' during a vaccine roll out about as scathing as 'he decorated a flat' in a pandemickingsteven
    • i heard there is one silly fool (well, a few actually) who never invested in a simple calculator.pr2
    • Heard immunity was Sweden's strategy - yeah, they are doing so badly i see (not).pr2
    • You get one unhealthy, overweight, overworked, bad-diet (not to mention terrible haircut) prime minster who gets covid and gets it bad...pr2
    • ...And changes the direction for a whole country... 1984 anyone?pr2
    • Then again, why do i use a reference to a masterpieces describing the world we live to people who don't understand basics arithmetic?pr2
    • big difference between acknowledging herd immunity exists and herd immunity as policy. i'm fairly certain in hindsight the response from the gov't would havekingsteven
    • been a swifter, harder lockdown... not herd-immunity so the idea of applying current knowledge to the start of the pandemic is kinda daftkingsteven
    • and not to further denigrate a childrens' classic there was a crazy guy walking round my way writing COVID 1984 on lamp posts 6 months agokingsteven
    • "childrens' classic" - this kills any possibility of a conversation, as you clearly are from a different planet (or maybe never bother reading the book).pr2
    • i loved that book when i was a kid but a send up of future global stalinism by an english left-libertarian in an england come airfield? the tories?kingsteven
    • I'm pretty sure I debunked your fixation on Sweden's 'success' a couple of months ago. Also, a 'not joke'? Really?Nairn
    • https://www.jokejive…Nairn
    • lol the Swedish response has been a fucking shambles. The only good thing has been the govt. scheme to pay employee wages. Kept my company going with full staffface_melter
    • king, do you mind recommending other "children books"? my kids love Winnie the Pooh, but are not really into Plato.pr2
    • big point is you are feeding your own fears on fears of one man who you chose to show you direction - like polite lambs lead to slaughterhouse.pr2
    • The fact any country thinks herd immunity is a morally justified approach to something we knew very little about at the beginning is fucking stupid.Ianbolton
    • as opposed to morally "higher ground" of killing people by denying them basic medical procedures?pr2
    • Exactly, this was the pet theory of conservatives and contrarian types but knowing what we know now, they were basically advocating mass slaughter.yuekit
    • @pr I was late reading 1984 at 13, after reading animal farm in school. I wouldn't be a fan of Orwell's politics at the time (when he was writing kids books)kingsteven
    • But he ended up embracing anarchism, still, closer to the Tories than where I align myself. But for your purposes the reference does not stand...kingsteven
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