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- colin_s0
this is actually ideal for the democratic party, now that romney said he'll confirm whoever trump nominates.
even if they manage to win the presidency and house (and fuck, maybe even senate)... the "oh it won't get through the courts" will be their ultimate reason for continuing to basically not legislate.
they've long since abandoned the needs of actual people and can in no way be expected to lead from here on out - it's incredibly foolish to think otherwise, given the failures and broken promises of the obama administration.
the best we can hope for is trump gets booted out of office and the violence gets quelled and then by 2022 the DNC is just a corpse of gen x'ers who for whatever reason won't become a real leftist.
- No offense dude, but from my peeped you’re closer to the fringe than the mainstream left.********
- my *perspective********
- @nb oh for sure, i don't deny that. but it's also that the center of that mainstream has drifted even further right over the past 20 yearscolin_s
- Please elaborate on how they abandoned the people and continue to not legislate.brandonp
- Funny how the fringe 2020 resembles Howard Zinn in 2005. https://progressive.…kingsteven
- @brandon folding on obamacare was pretty significant. inability to pass any gun reform. guantanamo. drone strikes. i mean, most of obama was iffy at best.colin_s
- @brandonp not to mention the 2016 and 2020 DNC push against sanders, co-opting messages but generally empty in any policy measurescolin_s
- The political views of young people in USA have moved significantly to the left vs. previous generations. The idea that you'd have more Americans supportingyuekit
- socialism over capitalism is pretty unheard of lol. I think it's going to come to a head in terms of the conflict between minority institutions like the Supremeyuekit
- Court and electoral college and the views of most Americans, as baby boomers die out and Gen X and millenials become the main voting block.yuekit
- I agree with you on those moments. I've been pissed ever since they capitulated to the Republican scare machine on the ACA. Also pissed about Bernie.brandonp
- U ever thought about social media tech and how in encourages and reinforces socialism vs individualism. A new era of concentrated authority********
- @yuekit (and anyone with the same inclinations): I'm gonna stop you right there, mate. Nothing about Sanders' platform is even remotely ...Continuity
- ... 'socialist' in the true textbook political science definition. And herein lies part of Sanders, AOC & Co's problem: branding. Whilst, yes, it seems many ...Continuity
- ... younger USAers are leaning further left, to call anything about this 'democratic socialist' is really, really off the mark. If they're looking for a ...Continuity
- ... norther Europe/Canada-like transformation, then the term they're looking for is 'social democrat'. There really is a substantial difference betweenContinuity
- ... the two. One (democratic socialist) implies a planned economy, which is a completely different animal than a social democracy, in which ...Continuity
- ... it's a market economy, just a well-regulated one. And it's hardly surprising that Sanders went nowhere calling himself a dem socialist:Continuity
- because if there's one thing USAers are more allergic to than someone taking away their gunz and their freedumbs, it's anything that reeks of communism.Continuity
- The left in the US need to re-think their branding, and go from there, if they hope to make a convincing argument in the future.Continuity
- (that said, I have no doubt in my mind that the DNC sandbagged Sanders twice, but that's a topic for another thread, or set of notes)Continuity
- I agree it's confusing. But then again there are also people in Europe who call themselves socialist while in practice being social democrats.yuekit
- And there are people who actually are socialists but don't want a totally state planned economy. They would emphasize the worker ownership aspect,yuekit
- such as workers coops or giving workers a greater say in running companies. Or perhaps just a stronger role for the state in terms of things like transition toyuekit
- a green economy. So it's all over the map but the main thing is there is a lot of dissatisfaction in the USA among younger generations. A lot of them didn'tyuekit
- have the chance to become financially secure in the way their parents did. They don't have savings, own a home and in many cases are deeply in debt.yuekit
- Well, fuck, the same can be said of a loooooooot of Gen-Xers, like me. Savings? Ha! Own my own home? Get the fuck outta here. In debt? Check!Continuity
- nothing wrong with co-ops. let them compete with private companies. REI does. They charge much higher rates only upperclass can afford. Dont let that be the********
- norm. Let ev's compete with petro without subsidies. nothing you think makes thing better cant be competitive. just what u want to win doesnt.********
- meaning democratically no on is voting with their buck so u need to shove it down people throats no matter outcome********
- on one hand so sacred of corp monopoly but easily hand it over to a gov monopoly the hypocirsy is always fun********
- Continuity why no savings? Why no home. Never had an inheritance, never a big win, just basic working. So how come im fine?********
- are u not in advertising that should make at least like 35-40K a year?********
- oh i dont have kids. that's a big expenditure i avoided because i like my freedom********
- Living in your elderly mother's basement doesn't qualify as 'fine', boy.Continuity
- Oh if that's what u think. Well I'm fine. Never had a break or a handout. Just wonder why u are not fine. What are you missing?********
- What is it u think should have been given to you? What concerns or fears you feel you'd shouldn't need to carry. I think if u look and compare and ask what it t********
- Makes to remove or alleviate such things it more than likely comes from someone not u. And why should they work for your securities or hang ups?********
- But hey I'm doing well. Maybe that's why I'm less reluctant to think your jelly types deserve anything from me.********
- No offense dude, but from my peeped you’re closer to the fringe than the mainstream left.