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interesting for ppl concerned about healthcare cost origins besides only what they pay. I hadn't heard about this one but jeezus no wonder care is such shit. And on top of that got an email today from 1-800 contacts saying j&J lobbying my senator to repeal ability of optometrists to give me my prescription to shop around. What does all this have to do besides big business... Political gate keepers brokering power for re-election gains. Fucked system.
- we really need some sort of hindsight alarm when these laws are repealed. industry lobbyists and the politicians that support this shit to the gulag...kingsteven
- you know db, they probably all think of themselves as libertarians. adam smith never foresaw a situation where economic system or govt would conspirekingsteven
- against its people/ to stand in the way of a doctors hippocratic oath. they're all going straight to hell.kingsteven
- oh btw. i'm talking about the companies that run for-profit hospitals in america that exploit and profit from govt. funding/policy.kingsteven
- not as far along that road in the UK but i'd certainly suggest Richard Branson's head on a spike as a warning to the fuckers with their eyes across the atlantickingsteven
- y'know rather than suggesting entirely privatising healthcare and govt. regulation as a valid solution.kingsteven
- yea nothing u said means shit or means anything. but the hippocratic oath actually is what this shit is against********
- u do know hippo oath as a very base protectionsim racket. also to your point if gov creates policy for people to game is it a fault of the people or gov?********
- whats makes u think creating incentives for ill behavior will go ignored. like leaving a steak on the ground and blaming the dog for eating it********
- blame is top level down and it starts with gov policy. not the hungry animal. If they did nothing that animal would be controlled trough pure market forces********
- adam smith died in the 18th century and i was paraphrasing his comments on healthcare in the united states. there a very few legaly binding hippocratic oathskingsteven
- these day's its just an expression used to suggest that a doctor would be forced to not work in the favour of patients... which is exactly what the articlekingsteven
- describes. you seem to believe that law makers have anti-capitalistic motivations when the article (and the one that links from it) suggest thatkingsteven
- the folks that support the legislation are from 2 camps - those that are concerned about price fixing in treatment and people who profit from monopolising akingsteven
- treatment in an area... on the other side it's people concerned that folks cant get treatment/ wait is too long and people calling for the abolition of govt.kingsteven
- a doctor is concerned about the patient in both cases. and what your left with is folks trying to make as much profit as possible from healthcare...kingsteven
- the govt. regulation is clumsy and that is obvious to anyone with concerns about treatment. but you're posting because you believe that 1) the advocates of thekingsteven
- regulation are anti capitalist because they support regulation that limits competition. 2) that deregulating the healthcare market is a valid solution.kingsteven
- ie. so convinced of the economic determinism of man you offer libertarianism as a solution to people with altruistic concerns and i'm clumsily pointing out thatkingsteven
- even the man that founded the free market had concerns about its ability to provide healthcare.kingsteven
- what?.. First Adam Smith had comments on gov healthcare? I guess germany had it earlier... but i don't see any rational connection to your ramblings********
- Second. I thought was obvious is protectionism laws are anti-capitalist and harm consumers. Clearly as this one does. The idea you have to be approved by ppl********
- to allow you to practice on arbitrary demand and shit is stupid. Unless you support incentives and regulation that creates less doctors and costlier healthcare.********
- It is clearly a rule where someone got paid by a lobbyist to protect their interest. same as unions shit. What merits do you see coming from this regulation********
- that are positive for consumers?********
- I'd love an answer for that one.********
- Yeah, its surprising but Adam Smith even made comments on the health system in the united states back then. The state didn't come in to it...kingsteven
- But I agree this legislation does seem ridiculous and it does seem like there may be a bubble of support between large hospital CEOs and civil servants.kingsteven
- I just think (as in the article) proposing entirely dropping legislation in confidence of the ability of the free market regulating prices is clown shoes...kingsteven
- if a large private hospital closes a ward because a chain clinic for the same condition opens and it's not profitable. how do you ensure bed capacity?kingsteven
- does the govt. then subsidise the chain clinic to provide more beds? you can see how that would be a far worse scenario? in the free market the surplus iskingsteven
- economic. healthcare requires surplus capacity... to anyone with genuine concerns the solution creates the same problemkingsteven
- you didnt answer the question. what is the benefit of said legislation to the consumer?********
- you say it sounds ridiculous but than go into your narrative of evil vs good and philosophy. If it is stupid why not nix it clear as day?********
- good and evil? legislation sounds ridiculous and still it is better than the alternative if the alternative is the free market.kingsteven
- the benefit to the consumer is that supply and demand does not affect the price of treatment. but tbh 'health consumer' is not the right way to think about it..kingsteven
- the advocates of free market healthcare must offer methods of guaranteeing accessibility of treatment but cant because their basis for belief in rationalkingsteven
- economic activity relies on a theoretical absolute. any factor - state insurance, welfare, bailouts, legislation. inhibits the rationality of your system.kingsteven
- giving all doctors little zappers that heal you instantly is about as realistic a solution.kingsteven
- So your an absolute idiot. And you agree such legislation does nothing good for consumer********
- And u get such legislation is what u get when u support your form of healthcare and systematic controls. Rules that benefit no one and never need change********
- Because there is no competition or reason to adapt and change********
- Seriously dude u are a emotional thinker. Not rationale. You take side like a Jesus freak and believe super hard regardless of evidence********