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So just looking at current numbers the panic doesn't add up or make sense. I'd need to see total death reported but no data I can find on it. However I did find data from all sources saying where did all the non covid19 average deaths go... but the hopkins numbers are about 120K deaths, CDC thinks saturation of at least 25 million people. Extrapolating that data on average with 331mil we could see a 13X increase with 100% saturation. So that would be about 1.6 million in total for US. Based on CDC top ten deaths per year there is about 2 million health related. (i also tossed in 47K suicide because for sure this gov response is going to increase that). My guess is counting covid 19 plus whatever normal other medical death we probably would be in the 2.5 million. Larger by half a million or .15%. But the thing is this thing seems to target frail people, so good chance in the following couple years we see a large reduction of medical deaths that offset the extra 500k. So does any of these actions looking at data make sense?
And does it justify the costs? Tossed a few bucks down for a domestic abuse charity knowing volunteers since they have seen a 65% increase since lockdowns. The executive power grabs and loss of basic liberties. jobs losses never to return. locally so far we have seen 74 deaths. tested 48K in population of 420K. Rough rounding that is 520 ppl we are stupidly trying to save. People already more than likely have issues. To try and save them we torch the economy. We hit over 30% unemployment. Burned through rainy day funds and just wrecked the shit out of everything. Allowing executive governor power plays and bullshit that should never pass as pseudo law.
I was watching this long ago and based on numbers being produced I was thinking 15mil. Which i warned my parents about before and they thought i was crazy. 15 million isn't spanish flu but significant enough to worry about ppl. But seeing new estimate and new timelines of spread. I think more harm comes from gov lockdowns and prevention than virus. In every facet from liberty to actual life
- i agree deathboy, it's overbearing to have sandwiches made with no mayonnaise, what's next, pickles?! lettuce?! my liberties are being trampled!!!!dorf
- haha at least you are consistent dorf********
- thanks, you're also consistently stupiddorf
- ha now youre sounding simpler. fits better than sandwiches********
- All that was needed was strong action in the beginning, listen to the experts, a little sacrifice...maybe a single, month long nationwide lockdown.yuekit
- After all China, Korea, New Zealand and others got through it and are now down to basically zero cases. No need to let hundreds of thousands of people die.yuekit
- yea ukit u talk of action but not wether its needed looking at current data nor its effects. stop listening and start thinking********
- But no...had to question everything, everyone with their own special contrarian opinion. "What about this..." Now it gonna drag on for months if not years.yuekit
- can you state ukit wether a country that stays open will be better off than one that lockdowns? sure good political optics, but despite slowing of deaths********
- you will still have the deaths. the delay is all political. the reality is the actual death toll is looking about average per year********
- and if that is the case what the fuck are people doing ukit? hysteria?********
- Its asinine and clearly a large gap of MSM reporting vs data out there.********
- and china/korea/nz 0 cases... uh ... think about it. a virus doesnt just stop or disappear. they will see reoccurence as everyone will.********
- X amount of people are going to die wether on a 6mo or a 2 yr timeline from it. vaccine ha. Convince ppl they need a big pharma product while big pharma********
- cant understand how bat flu works********
- Whatever man, not gonna debate for another 100 notes lol. Just consider the possibility that the public health experts know better than your back of the napkinyuekit
- projections. Brazil tried your approach of ignoring it and powering through, now it's a total chaotic disaster. It's sure as hell rather be Korea than Brazil.yuekit
- and seriously ukit extrapolate deaths vs cdc estimates vs historical averages. make your own decisions. perhaps u think cdc is too little?********
- im going off the health experts numbers. simple extrapolation with historical averages for context********
- you are going off of what?********
- also brazil is a disaster in what regard? that theyre getting deaths out of the way vs politically slowing them down. What make you think lockdowns prevents********
- vs just slows the inevitable? after all the flatten curve doesnt say less deaths. it just means more manageable deaths********
- The more lives we save, the more idiots like deathboy will say "look how few people died, why did we spend so much money on this!" It's typical.********
- Also, it's not just about death numbers. See my earlier post about covid cases being brutal.********
- FUCK OFF YOU IDIOTmonospaced
- The problem is this virus is very easy to catch and lots of patients need intensive care, therefore the risk is that it saturates the health systemernexbcn
- I dont know why people are so harsh to deathboy. he clearly is on the spectrum, or at least has a language/mental/unde... barrier.inteliboy
- ha inteliboy. what is other peoples issues? They can't look at deaths vs estimate infected and come to own conclusions? it is really really basic math********
- but ernex... call you Earn. does have a valid arguement. But why tank economies and create more hardship for the majority of people at the expense of about 500k********
- that most have underlying issues. The is no rational reason except politics of the stupid. Politicians are about the same as cops if not worse.********
- IE NV governor caught without mask and social distancing. casinos open caesars offers to pay people 20 to wear mask. great for employee and confidence********
- but MGM calls gov and says you mandate it if you want our support and taxes (i imagine the call no proof) a few days later mandated masks, by someone who********
- just got caught, and clearly doesn't believe it. is it really anything but politics at this point?********
- also Earn. local hospital spent 13 million renovating parking garage and never saw peak beds past 15% and actually laying off people due to no work. Some places********
- for sure could see peaks, where as others not at all. so many factors. to laydowns rules for all based on the worst is bad policy.********
- oh and ukit i have considered the "health experts" views, have you considered the views from non spoonfed politically advised "health experts" or yourself? you********
- might need to put in a little leg work and come to your own conclusions. think if you did you may contest my numbers********
- Paging Dr. Deathboy M.D., D.O., DrPHutopian
- 10 incoherent, rambling sidenote posts in a row, all contributing to the growing pile of utter idiocy that you are made of. What a stupid fucking cunt.monospaced
- Also, your local hospital invested in expansion in response to population growth forecast, not the coronavirus, you moron. Why use it if it's irrelevant?monospaced
- enjoy your socialist welfare check, you bottom feeding parasite of human wastemonospaced
- what check? anyways still check the math on potential death vs yearly averages. still not a comment regarding that********
- new data today shows 43% come from death camps(or elderly homes, but still think death camps)********
- how does 43% deaths average into yearly outlooks knowing all knockin on deaths door.********
- im abslutely positive if john oliver said what i said you would swallow his semen this minute********
- without chaser********
- your $1200 stimulus welfare check of course. The socialist style one given out like welfare to people of low income.monospaced
- That deathboy somehow keeps the lights on enough to afford internet is evidence that the usa will not make it through 2020.ben_
- haha. trying to insinuate im poor so im less of a person. same tactics used for race amongst landowners and shit. ignoring my arguement********
- take your logic. dont listen to me thinking im poor. how does your tune change if you realize i make more than you? Are you simply tryign to grasp at wealth as********
- others do skin color to try and debase a speaker? that your hate is no better than racial hate, and just simps grabbing low hanging fruit that doesnt matter********
- I’m saying you profited so really can’t complain. Take your check and stfu. Or give it back and be a good human. Bitch ass idiot.monospaced
- And yes. My hate for your racist idiocy IS BETTER than your hate for black people. Most hate is better than racist hate. You deserve it that is the difference.monospaced
- ha you are such a joke. what your pops says********