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- So the short take is that Biden withheld a billion dollars until pres. of Ukraine installed an agreeable prosecutor?Gnash
- Why, isn’t that illegal?Gnash
- ^That's been the 'conspiracy theory' for the last few years... yes.PonyBoy
- One could get the impression that this is a pretty standard gov’t tacticGnash
- The part that is being left out here is that many countries and people within Ukraine wanted this guy gone.yuekit
- That wasn't 'left out'... it's irrelevant... therefore it wasn't included. :) (nor does it dismiss Biden's actions)PonyBoy
- The point is, Biden wasn't doing this for his own personal interest. Pretty much the entire world wanted him fired. There were even street protests in Ukraineyuekit
- calling for his removal. The American right-wing has distorted and twisted what actually happened, but it's easy to look up articles from the time.yuekit
- “You’re not getting our money until you do the thing we want”Gnash
- Just because that ‘thing’ is popular with others doesn’t negate the fact that ‘quid pro quo’ from having happenedGnash
- It simply makes it more palatableGnash
- If it’s wrong, it’s wrong. Regardless of it’s irrelevant popularityGnash
- If it’s wrong to give foreign aid with conditions, then the USA is guilty of much more than this because they do similar things all the time.yuekit
- You would think what would really be bad would be withholding aid simply for your own political benefit (what Trump did).yuekit
- Yet the GOP decided that was perfectly fine, and I seem to recall a few commenters here saying the same thing :)yuekit
- I think this a totally standard part of political gameplay. I wasn’t shocked by this move, or trumps. It’s the whinging by the plebs that annoysGnash
- Well... I suppose if I set it up so my kid was scraping loads of $$ from a company under investigation by said prosecutor that I might want the guy ousted too.PonyBoy
- Perhaps I might be one of those whinging plebs... dunno... just seems like we all forgot about the crackpipe-toting elephant in the room.PonyBoy
- But now we're back to that 'conspiracy' shit... where facts are overlooked and folks interested in a lil more info are called plebs. :)PonyBoy
- PonyBoy, that's the point though...if you read the facts, there is nothing to support the idea that Biden did this to protect his son's consulting job.yuekit
- This particular prosecutor was corrupt as hell and multiple countries were calling for him to be fired. He was spending his time investigating anti-corruptionyuekit
- groups while protecting corrupt politicians who ordered the police to open fire on demonstrators. He wasn't a good guy and it's laughable that the GOP is nowyuekit
- trying to pretend that he is.yuekit