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What is the average medical death rate in the US per month. Calculating top ten 2017 data and 2 being probably non related (suicide, accidental being about 210K) However the top ten leaves out a ton of medical like liver disease and shit. Split difference and say 1.3 million die of regularly of medical conditions. That's 108K a month. So far the total US deaths of covid 19 is ~74K. The typical death rates of normal shit have dropped off. Plenty of pubs showed a drop in normal deaths and tried to correlate it to not going to hospital... And it appears a lot are being called covid19 (for monetary incentives?). What I really want to see is a CDC total death count broken down with new covid19 death numbers so I can really see what is the percentage of increase above normality
- if it turns out real death increased 3-5k per month in a population around 350 mil. while bankrupting a nation seems rational********
- or just a slave to the politics of it all?********
- Any death rate so far is reflective of the current lockdown measures. We don't know how many would die in an unmitigated scenario.yuekit
- true. we dont know effects. but we do know the deaths wont change over 1yr time. the curve is to stretch out deaths for healthcare institutions********
- overall death should remain consistent as percentage. id still like to see a comparison of normality of deaths related on health issues overlaid with covid 19********
- deaths. I have a strong feeling there isn't a huge deviation in total deaths. Which would beg a ton questions. Real infected rates and everything and COST********
- Not so sure about that. Depending on how much social distancing is practiced, many may never get the virus.yuekit
- of political mitigation. Right now there is 0 context of the deaths being pumped by news fear********
- 74k seems a lot next to 911, but its low compared to average medical deaths. i find it a bit suspect to put it into context********
- hmm im not so sure social distancing stops stuff. where has stopping herd immunity wiped out a virus?********
- they always gain a majority saturation. like sweden vs denmark. denmark wil likely have similar death counts over longer time from it********
- the distancing is only for delay********
- Some countries have genuinely contained the virus, so clearly it is possible.yuekit
- based on china data coming out i thought we'd probably see 10 mil US deaths. Now im seeing the data was incorrect. Higher saturation of spread for unaffected********
- And hey that's a good thing. Hell even 10 million is still negilible in big picture. But even at 10 mil risk the gov behavior is reckless********
- what country and what cost and what "certainity" based on what stats?********
- And as far as containment I also think its bullshit. viruses mutate and this lab grown one is gonna be around for awhile and stupid to think we can control it.********
- a couple special take aways of it that are super scary is infection in non humans. potential growth and mutation is off the charts for it********
- you just gotta shrug and say fuck it. shouldnt throw baby out with the bathwater. whatever will be will be. gov certainaly cant stop it********
- https://www.worldome… at the numbers, majority of countries in the world have 1,000 cases or less.yuekit
- Sorry :)
https://www.worldome…yuekit - Filter by total cases. The vast majority has not caught this virus yet, and there's no reason to think it's inevitable.yuekit
- that is another thing the US non blind testing. what is it 1 in 8 that shows strong symptoms gets tested and found false?********
- i think the majority of those who have had it are huge. im pretty sure ive already had it late january and seein death in CA in early feb********
- Even if we round up to 4 million cases.. that means something like 0.005% of the world population has been infected.yuekit
- i dont buy the data so far or the hype without context. Is 74K more than usual deaths?********
- is that question not reasonable? should its premise not be analyzed for context?********
- and if so why hasn't it with all the data?********
- 74k is ONLY the deaths from COVID-19. Total deaths is obviously higher than that.yuekit
- i think the issue with testing ukit is its biased and only reflective of those with symptoms. so i know only 2 ppl thorugh my chic with it or possibility of it********
- Your comments sound like an attempt to rationalize the disastrous US response.yuekit
- dr in ca has been tested 4 times and found negative each time but they are so determined to get a positive. a denver case whre doctor said stay home but no********
- USA is currently reporting more cases of the virus EVERY DAY than most countries have in total.yuekit
- intentions of testing but high probablility. bf is fine. so sporadic from what i know. also talking with remsa and other surgeons********
- it doesn't add up at all and thinking being taken for a politically motivated ride********
- and i think real deaths are far lower than 74K ukit. as said general deaths are down on all counts. and more than likely due to be ing miscalculated as covid19********
- Isn't this Trump's latest talking point?yuekit
- https://www.axios.co…yuekit
- and i think its likely due to legislation that provide more federal funds for covid 19 victims. well intended but poorly thought through legislation********
- ha i dont follow trump. it was more along the lines of the new york times. https://www.nytimes.…********
- I know that in the UK the opposite is true....coronavirus deaths appeared to be underreported based on yearly average.yuekit
- Not sure about US numbers but you should at least bother looking it up before making that claim no?yuekit
- that with public CDC numbers and wondering about the context of actual deaths. maybe trumps PR finally catching up********
- not sure about what US numbers? and no interest in UK stats. Merely trying to get context on US being my main concern.********
- but since you brought it up what is the monthly average of typical health death vs the now covid 19 deaths in the UK?********
- I was referring to total deaths year over year in the USA. You seemed to be suggesting there's not much difference vs. last year in spite of the virus.yuekit
- I genuinely haven't seen the numbers, but that seems like the first thing you'd check in order to see if this theory is true or not.yuekit
- Here's an article on the UK deaths compared with last year.
https://news.sky.com…yuekit - And here's one on the USA
https://www.beckersh…yuekit - This one > https://bit.ly/2WNGk…yuekit
- Yuekit, you deserve a medal, reading all this rambling and showing facts... You know he isn't ignorant, he's just trying to disinform, right?dmay
- ukit i just saying i wanted to see some data. i couldnt find much. the us url is broken and the UK was is a bit interesting especially looking at the graphs********
- oh and saw the us link which is interesting. if we only saw an 8K increase in deaths and not all directly related to covid19. Hell suicide on lockdown has gone********
- Neither have the real raw data. UK a bit messy with its makeup terms but again graphs great to get some ideas********
- like will a surge in these weeks create a decline for the rest of the year below average?********
- and dmay im not disinforming anyone. im asking to see basic data for context. if asking for context is disinformation... than something is wrong********
- that article that ukit posted showing death increase, but taking into lifespan of the deaths says a ton about the issue********
- the cost of 8K lives? Civil liberties given up. Context to these 8K under fear it could be one of us vs our wars abroad. broad context is huge********
- and as we are seeing every model fail and new information come out it looks like huge over reaction in context of big picture********
- and the fallout of this over reaction has yet to be felt. so its best to not let the political elite latch onto it for own gains. and further promote more harm********
- again i had my own estimates at 10 mil in the us on early data. but now im thinking regardless of lockdown. probably less than 500k by end of year and that is********
- on the idea of going full open and second "wave" which effects a population most likely ill and more herd culling.********
- and it would be stupid to ruin economies for such a number. cripple far more than it kills********
- if it turns out real death increased 3-5k per month in a population around 350 mil. while bankrupting a nation seems rational