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    Are there any chances that the American govt could "lie" about the figures of COVID19, in case they wanted it?
    Let’s suppose that the number of tests begin to increase and given the little exhortation to maintain social distancing, infections and deaths skyrocket.

    Is there a possibility that the figures could be lied? I understand that China, for example, that has an economy and the resources to make thousands of tests per day, but algo has a very particular secrecy and status-quo, could lie. However, considering America's exposure, I ask myself that question and would like to know what do Americans think.

    If there is a chance to expose Trump’s “liberation” as a failure, it would be with a huge rebound, with the double of deaths per day in just a couple of weeks. I can’t imagine the govt saying “not our fault, natural process..” when the rest of the world is showing the contrary, unless... lies and fake numbers.

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    • Unlikely. We run open societies - sure, we can count a few less, but not like China, who just added thousands dead on the list overnight
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    • Plus the gov is too stupid to lie on that scale, it could backfire overnight, ppl are already on the edge
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    • Not when the reporting is independent and the government isn’t doing the compiling. It’s all being run by the people on the front line thank god.monospaced
    • The estimates, models and reports are coming from hospitals. Not possible for government to intervene.monospaced
    • of ways a govt can fix the numbers without needing to deliberately misreport them. i believe thats whats happened in china too...kingsteven
    • The UK govt is 'lying' by not reporting care home deaths. UK and the US are 'lying' by rolling out testing slow enough to maintain a growth <35%kingsteven
    • we may well still see an inverse exponential decline in cases like china (maybe not as steep a curve) the UK will at some point have to revise it's deaths 150%kingsteven
    • yet you’re aware of the discrepancymonospaced
    • I often find my self thinking that and while I have no evidence I don’t have much faith in the US numbers either.scruffics
    • If the numbers start looking really bad trump will probably say they are a democratic conspiracy and half the US will believe him. Sad but true.scruffics
    • Ok, but that's the point: how can you argument such nonsense as a democratic conspiracy and pretend people will believe, follow, no questions asked?maquito
    • If the guy twits tomorrow "hey, bananas are red", will people like, idk, change their minds about yellow?maquito
    • I'm sorry... honestly not trying to sound sarcastic, actually trying to understand. It's unbelievable that America could've fallen into such a deep idiocracy.maquito
    • I do think that if Trump claimed the numbers were one thing and some government agency said something else, his followers would probably believe him.yuekit
    • The thing is that Trump doesn't actually have enough power and authority to get the rest of the government to go along with a massive coverup like that.yuekit
    • Much of the USA government runs pretty much on autopilot. Staffed by people who are not political appointees. So there is a limit to the amount of damageyuekit
    • even someone like Trump can do in 4 years.yuekit
    • Fucking politics. ughmaquito
    • @mono the lie is: UK govt will add the care home deaths gradually as hospital deaths fall to create a steeper drop in deaths in a few weeks that they can spinkingsteven
    • Thank goodness the UK government isn’t the only source of information and that all other bodies are Also reporting independently thenmonospaced
    • The government can say any lie they want about numbers. But the real numbers are there, public and transparent already to contradictmonospaced
    • it's only really the headlines that matter, the UK govt appears to have a lot of control over the reporting of numbers ATM. i'm not sure the US govt has controlkingsteven
    • of anything atm or is in any way accountable and that's how they seem to like it.kingsteven
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