Politically Correct OTD
Politically Correct OTD
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On Facebook some page I'm following created a post that had the words "spirit animal" in it, and it was amusing how many people chimed in to point out only certain people can even use the phrase "spirit animal." Apparently it's offensive to some people of indigenous american descent, and they've declared the term theirs and theirs only. They even offered up "patronus" as an alternative. Really.
- Never thought I'd grow up to be a "reactionary" - being the radical lefty I've always been. But these kids with their "wokeness" have left me so far behind.Khurram
- I had a girl tell me she felt guilty getting a pinata for her niece's bday because it's "cultural appropriation" - are you mad???Khurram
- I couldn't be more proud that chicken tikka massala is the national dish of England. We're part of the FABRIC of this country.Khurram
- But some pathetic losers are determined to paint themselves as perpetual victims. The "others" that are having bad things done TO them for all history.Khurram
- Such a loser mindset.Khurram
- It's like that chick that told me that you can't be racist against white people because they're inherently part of the de facto power structure bla blaKhurram
- I'm like what about Jews??? They're white! "Oh well, you can't be anti-semetic against black people" - what??!?!?! You're just playing language games now. idiotKhurram
- Eternal victimhood, they make me sick. No wonder intellectually feeble "thinkers" such as Jordan Peterson have an audience of baying closet racists.Khurram
- I used to rail against people who had a problem with "PC culture". And now i have a problem with it. Who knew?Khurram
- And now this obsessions with having "diverse" cast on every period costume drama. You expect me to believe that there were that many black people...Khurram
- running around Elizabethan england? They just stick some negro with a thick Jamaican accent and call it diverse. "See look, we're diverse!"Khurram
- I'm meant to by into that? Sorry, i don't. It's bullshit.Khurram
- Especialyl when the hero (Tom Hardy) is portrayed as some Victorian gent whose best friend is a blackie.Khurram
- As if! The whole of victorian society is built on a scaffolding of racism and white supremacy. But to satiate modern audiences they stick one inKhurram
- And show how kindly he's treated by all the good white people. They have to do that, cos the white people are still the "heros" of the show so they have..Khurram
- to be seen to be nice to the blacks. That's just whitewashing history! Why? Because in 2020 we need to see more colored people on TV. Just fucking lies.Khurram
- Or maybe they have a point. I don't even know. I wonder how this cultural moment will play itself out. We're going to completely re-write British historyKhurram
- to show how tolerant we've always been, just because some black actors aren't getting enough parts in period dramas.Khurram
- btw- i identify as black. I'm part of the black experience.Khurram
- I used to think USA was sexist at work, but I started workin with UK office. Holy fuk so much sexism towards office women by men, no wonder they have word lawsrobotron3k
- ^^All that talk about sports and football at work is apparently oppressing women over here. It's terrible.Khurram
- It’s a cultGnash
- lol, Khurram, tell us how you really feel! I love how you used "blackie," "negro" and "colored" to refer to black peoplemonospaced
- also "the blacks." Get a sense of irony mono, i feel like you are missing it in your life :-/Khurram
- wow thats a long rant in the sidenotes.pango
- i literally wrote "I love..." to indicate the irony I'm sensing and have in droves in my life. Maybe you can get a sense of humor as it's clearly missing?monospaced
- sorry i thought you were being sarcastic. Difficult to get across irony on text. As you were.Khurram
- Khurram rails against PC culture & blames it on Jordan Peterson and his followers? You are a confused man sir.lambsy
- Think you got comprehension problems lambsy. But there was a lot of text to read. I understand.Khurram
- probably because this trend or movement(?) is not exactly organized by 1 group of people. people will interpret it in their own way.pango
- and we know peiople can be very different from what youre used to. of course some of it will seem confusing to you. but i really think the core message ispango
- 'dont be a dick'pango
- and evalue everything individually.
They think the "spirit animal" thing is like white people always taking their culture from them, and either repurposing itpango - Isn't everything appropriated at this point? There's a person I work with who won't eat their Thai food with chopsticks because it's"appropriation".ben_
- I didn't have the heart to tell them.ben_
- or nullify its cultural meaning to them. i mean they're not wrong. knowing the result of colonization of NA took almost everything from them. and people didpango
- take bunch of native kids away from their parents and put them in a school and forbid them from speaking their own language. in a attempt to kill the savage inpango
- ^ Not wrong at all, of the handful of indigenous people I know, two of them play in a delta blues band. And I'm certain I've seen black, asian, hispanic andben_
- them. im not surprised some of them were not amused seeing their culture getting altered, despite your harmless intention.pango
- white people wearing headdress at coachella. Fuck, a Japanese guy rips off native clothing and sells it for as much money as Chanel... The world is just everyben_
- ben_ it really depends on the individual as there's no centralized rules on these kind of thing. and when we have it, we can call it the PC Police.pango
- one taking inspiration from everywhere, and unless someone is really being disrespectful, maybe people should just calm down and sweat the big stuff?ben_
- i rather see someone eating comfortably. its really pathetic seeing someone struggling to eat a meal. i mean c'mon, just give that man knife and fork already!pango
- why you making him go through that!pango
- pango, yeah I totally agree it's a case by case situation, and that's what I mean, if there's disrespect for something of cultural significance, I totally getben_
- why people would be upset. But a lot of the time it feels like people simply want something easy to be upset about.ben_
- headdress thing is more of a "earned" cultural statues kind of thing. its like if someone wears a fake army medal, you can bet some people will go ape shit.pango
- pango, She's so woke that if I told her that the only reason she gets chopsticks in her takeout bag from the thai restaurant is because the owners are Chineseben_
- she'd implodeben_
- however not all native people will get upset about the headdress thing cuz some are more intouched with their culture and some didn't grow up with their culturepango
- But hey, if she ever goes to Thailand she'll fit right in with her fork and will probably come back telling everyone something they don't know.ben_
- i mean if you take inspiration from another culture and nobody got upset. great. keep running with it. but if somebody got upset, then just move on and keep crepango
- Re: headdress, yeah I get it - and some don't care because there are way bigger fish to fry, like getting working sewage on a reserve or drinking water thatben_
- creating. imo most of the best creative ideas were made with restrictions. remember those viagra ads on TV? they couldn't mention what the drug does cuz thepango
- restrictions on drug commercials but everybody knows what drugs they were selling. and funny as well.pango
- doesn't cause generations of birth defects. There's just better places to put your energy than correcting some millennials who's catchphrase of the monthben_
- offends you. Mono didn't mention, but I can almost guarantee the people educating the others on that post are white people who've likely never even met anyoneben_
- indigenous.ben_
- i can agree white people are more harsh on themself general LOLpango
- Except for when we actually do something wrong, then it's justification time!ben_
- Do you feel appropriated when people say "you got pango'd"?ben_
- no. not particularly.
but it does get old.pango - ok, i get it, the native american experience is the only context I see where headdresses are demeaning and belittling of the genocide these people suffered.Khurram
- but pinatas? white people wearing corn rows? katy perry dressed as a geisha? come on. grow up!Khurram
- Ya pinata, corn row, geisha. People are trying too hard. Not sure what deeper meaning pinata has. You beat the crap out of this thing and candies come out forpango
- As far as I can see. Corn row ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . Katy Perry should look up what job description geisha had.pango
- But however, are they a wide spread thing or just something happened once or twice and people viral share on internet?pango
- Are they worth 1 minutes of you life to worry about?pango
- do non-asians using chopsticks in asian restaurants seem odd? are they the next target of cultural appropriation rage?lol_niko
- @pango - they use the term geisha. But much of that dress is just kabuki theatre, which David Bowie famously "appropriated" for his Aladdin Sane period.Khurram
- @_niko no. not at all. but if you struggle like a toddler using chopstick, then just use a fork. its awkward watching people struggle trying to eat.pango
- I'm going to Japan next month and in Osaka all the guides tell me to visit the "last surviving geisha neighbourhood". Maybe tell the Japanese tourist boardKhurram
- about what job they actually do/did?Khurram
- i think it is worth worrying about. Cancel culture has become a real phenomena. And this new thing called "purity spirals" are ruining people's careersKhurram
- you're at the table already for fuck sake. shouldn't have to work for it.pango
- I get where you're coming from. I'm on the left and I think there are much worse things happening on the right for us to worry about.Khurram
- But what Gnash said about the left feeding on their own is of real concern to me. Especially when it comes to issues around identity politics.Khurram
- not sure what this purity spirals is. i guess im not as woke.pango
- yes do tell them what you know about geisha. and tell us their reaction.pango
- I think it's a lot of bullshit, but then again my grandparents said the same things about the N word.Projectile
- 10 years ago I laughed at people finger wagging about headdresses, now I totally get it. If many native Americans say not to use, then ffs we should stop.Projectile
- Similarly, if it's fairly unanimous among them with the spirit animal thing, then maybe we can just get used to it. They've had a rough go of things, those folkProjectile
- Imagine your daughter got raped on her way home from school, and then the rapist was running around drunk at parties in a schoolgirl outfit for fun.Projectile
- Cos let's be honest, the British raped the everloving fuck outta the Native Americans.Projectile
- That said, I'm pretty sure they'd rather have their actual rights protected than some uber-woke hippies not saying "spirit animal"Projectile
- @pango - re purity spiral - i was listening to this radio4 program yesterday while this thread was happening: https://www.bbc.co.u…Khurram
- re: geisha - oh they've been told pango. But they're too addicted to their moral outrage to listen to any reasonable counter-argument.Khurram
- wait... who are "they"?pango
- *low whistle*
Well done, you managed to self-escalate your post!Continuity - projectile - I get your point - but yes, who are "they"? The power of a handful of twitter people has got out of hand. And is why Trump will win 2020.inteliboy
- "Black trans and cis women, gender-nonconforming... and nonbinary people are the backbone of our democracy" Elizabeth Warren. Hmmm... righto.inteliboy
- Off topic but... Again
“you got pango’d” had nothing to do with pango being Asian! He bragged about poop-bombing in his bosses bathroom!Gnash - Get the meme right!Gnash
- Also, it’s a cultGnash
- Most of this intersectional unicorn Logic Is driven by upperclass white phd’s of gender theoryGnash
- Sorry, i'm on severe jet-lag. Trying to fix my sleep. Sleep 3 hours, wake up 12, sleep 3 hours, etc. Ignore me. Let these notes die. ThanksKhurram
- I got confused. You meant the Japanese tourist board. I thought you meant the woke people on Twitter.Khurram
- Lol, Gnash I know. By the time I posted that I was 4 beer in (lightweight with toddler) and just over the absurdity of it all.ben_
- Cultures of the world are so enmeshed country to country that barely any of it matters anymore. Cultural propriety is just another thing people use to divide usben_
- 4 beers is a lot man. You shouldn't be drinking that much on a Thursday night.Khurram
- I’m pretty sure 4 beers would kill me now.Gnash
- Using "spirit animal" is NOTHING like a rapist dressing like the schoolgirl he raped. "White" people today aren't the settlers from several centuries earlier.monospaced
- At this point, I laugh at the idea that someone using the term spirit animal could be offensive. Sure, it takes a cultural term out of context, but that's it.monospaced
- Saying someone can't say it because they aren't native and therefore can't HAVE spirit animals is ridiculous to me. I can have a fucking spirit animal if I wantmonospaced
- and it doesn't change your religion.monospaced
- because let's face it ... like ALL religious mumbo jump from any religion, it's all fucking bullshit too. I'll make fun of all silly religous ideas equallymonospaced