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^ Great ad for Bernie Sanders by Killer Mike
Still love this music video by him...both the lyrics and animation
- as entertaing as this video it is absurd. reagans wife was looking for a cause liek obama lunch room shit. both should have found a book or better hobby********
- i remeber whne a democratic socialis tbuddy sent me a link like 10 year ago and i said the same shit********
- Not sure what point you're trying to make exactly. Reagan's wife's dopey "just say no" campaign...which we can all remember as kids...was basically the PRyuekit
- front for a government effort to lock up millions of people for the "crime" of smoking weed etc. Not exactly just a hobby.yuekit
- Remember the ads like this? lol
https://www.youtube.…yuekit - At the same time, Reagan's government was funding groups that introduced crack and other addictive drugs into poor and mostly black communities.yuekit
- i have to say, deathboy only makes sense about 8% of the time. like, some of the things he types are words, the rest i am not sure aboutscruffics
- you said itmonospaced
- yuekit absolutely nailed it. if ever there were a time for deathboy to just stop responding, its on this thread, let's see though, not much confidence in reasonben_
- deathboy's brain is just porridge, slopping about inside his head.face_melter
- I'd been assuming deathboy was a beta version of a troll bot that didn't work so well.zarkonite
- 48 hours without a retardretort, this is a new record.ben_
- Uh wow lots or few people jerking off for a response... Well ukit I don't have much. It's a music video unrelated to historical facts********
- Reagan's wife campaign was one of those well off good intentioned campaigns all social planners have. Again Obama food in schools. Intended plans********
- Hardly work out and a perfect example of social planning failure. U do see the joke in knocking Reagan social planning while advocating for others social planni********
- And remember weed by party affiliation and where libertarians have always philosophically came in on drug usage********
- You sound tired.ben_
- it is tiring always pointing out what should be obvious. But DARE taught me to Say no to bullshit.********
- maybe one day Ben you can carry some weight instead of just shaking tits on the sidelines.********
- Sorry what is the obvious point here? Aside from just you object to a video criticizing Ronald Reagan?yuekit
- It's a music video not a history book BTW :) But the points he makes are basically true, about the drug war, mass incarceration etc.yuekit
- yes, you always claim to be enlightening through the obvious deathboy, yet you seem to be the only one ever "getting it".ben_
- are "basically true"... not so much. They're basically true like trumps progress on the economy. I like the music illustration but such things are entertainment********
- and shouldnt be thought of as actual knowledge or learning. I think you are suggesting this media as "truth" gospel stuff. not so much an "ad" of BS********
- and as i said its a music video like you said. entertainment, not factual or objective in any sense. Pr to sell music trying to use politics as a hook.********
- but yes a successful bernie ad sell for all socialist types. Non-fiction with a emo spin to popular causes. shape the truth and get votes********
- The facts around war on drugs and mass incarceration are undeniably true. The entire USA only had about 200k people in prison back in 1970s, state and federal.yuekit
- By the 2000s it was almost 2.5 million. That didn't happen by accident, it was because of war on drugs and dramatically harsher sentencing rules that Reaganyuekit
- implemented. Of course some Democrats supported it too, Joe Biden being one example.yuekit
- You wanna talk about failed attempts at socialism, that actually is a pretty good example of one that Reagan helped implement on a massive scale.yuekit
- reagan era drug rules are a failed result of socialism. Im glad you acknowledge that. The usual idea is conservatism/reps failed.but policy ideals more gov********
- socialist. Which is my biggest issue with glossing over policy based on party vs philsophical principles of policy********
- reagan wife with dare as inspirational shit (again like michelle obama) and noreaga and everythign was a fuckin disaster********
- video suggests his ignorance is a planned right wing racist shit. Do you really believe reagan planned drug rules out of racism?********
- or even being poor? Legit issues with reagans drug policies, but the reasons given in video are populist heresay targeted to demographics********
- so no I dont think video supports any real political policy. perhaps identity politics and fake shit. I think its a music video for sales and promotion********
- and tying it to real politics, not popular opinion shit, but philosophical leanign and factional data is a joke********
- and i quite enjoy run the jewels and there brand. from gears of war to adult swim. they're pretty legit and i bet sole is bummed with his el p issues********
- Sure I agree it was not a masterplan but it would be silly to think racism did not play a role. Blacks had only gotten equal rights a decade and a half earlier,yuekit
- there was a huge backlash that followed. Lots of hysteria about black crime, dope smoking hippies, basically the same culture war stuff that exists today.yuekit
- Reagan was against pretty much every piece of civil rights legislation including the original Civil Rights Act, he supported apartheid South Africa, even onyuekit
- something as basic as naming a holiday after Martin Luther King he was against it.yuekit
- And fear mongered a lot about black crime and drug use. Then implemented policies that heavily targeted those groups.yuekit
- For instance crack cocaine law where you had to have 100 times as much cocaine (used mostly by whites) as crack (used mostly by blacks and poor inner city) toyuekit
- get the same sentence. You think there was no racial angle to that?yuekit
- i think your extending reagan popular beliefs. i dont think racial crime is reagan or his beliefs and more along demo beliefs********
- holidays are pointless and political.********
- and i dont buy the racial shit. its a joke. as far as racism playing any role dont negate the data********
- its not pleasant for diversiy. and as such what should your leader do?********
- It's hard to say exactly what Reagan believed, by the late 80s his brain was pretty much mush anyway.yuekit
- But I don't think the song is necessarily accusing Reagan personally of anything, it's using Reagan as a stand in for the modern social system and howyuekit
- it can create a process of oppression. Harsh drug laws combined with racist cops and judges, and the profit making nature of the prison system in the US whereyuekit
- corporations are allowed to use prisoners as free labor. Something that a lot of Americans don't seem to be aware of and that you would never see in mostyuekit
- civilized countries.yuekit
- Hmm I would disagree. I think it's basic identity politics. As far as modern society profit on a prison system. Well that is a much bigger issue the videolyrics********
- Don't touch. The practicality of it makes sense especially from a tax payer standpoint but the ethics involved and I centives********
- Anyways I'm curious what differences u think Bernie and xi have? How does xi treat criminal reform in his country?********
- How would Bernie treat it and exactly what effects you think would transpire and any reason for it?********
- Bernie's policies are very ambiguous but does cute racism as primary cause for distortions. I find both those to be very dubious********
- I think he would side with more xi as is anyone I feel should be jailed outside any true justice system********
- I don't think there is much if any similarity between Bernie Sanders and the Chinese communist party hahayuekit
- Bernie's approach would be more similar to Canada, Europe, Australia. Liberal capitalism, but with more generous health care and social programs.yuekit
- China is very authoritarian, but keep in mind as bad as China is, the USA still locks up more people per capita than China.yuekit
- Anyway this song doesn't have any connection to Bernie Sanders' campaign.yuekit
- See the issue is any socialist including Bernie needs xi power and control. No different in the last 100 yrs. Or we just just roll back executive power and have********
- Have stalemates. However little even with Trump in power has been done to roll back that power. Just advocates for using it better.********
- And remember no connection than the one u gave it. U said great ad. Maybe not paid by campaign but dont shake it off like tay Tay of original reason********
- And I think u are largely nieve in thinking of a socialist type system be among the weak countries. Think of how there systems in scale bow to the us********
- Naw if we go Bernie we'd need to go full China route or we may be Chinas bitch. Every country half stepping freedom so far is ours. China the exception********
- The fact is a large collective entity with single purpose can destroy individualist goals. It's a common theme amongst all life.********
- Bernie and xi share the belief there is no individual... Well except them and friends********
- Socialism is a pretty meaningless term honestly. We already have Social Security, Medicare, dozens of other welfare programs. Every single place you walkyuekit
- or drive in your home town has roads, sidewalk and infrastructure built by the government. The US has even gone beyond that and built a network ofyuekit
- military bases across the world, and now Trump wants to militarize space. But if we switch to public health insurance that's the tipping point where we lose ouryuekit
- freedom and suddenly we're China? This is kind of silly isn't it?yuekit
- Haha the apologist approach. All our current socialism is bad. Everything u said is bad. So that bad makes your preferred aims right********
- That's where I'm not a hypocrite but about all partisan person is. We can talk about all the failures is social programs in the us but the political class alway********
- S sells the failures as not spent enough. Even rep no child left behind. It's a gambler chasing bad money. Always double down********
- America's current socialism displays its current level of entropy. Or level of systematical decline. To double down is not good not justified********
- The point is, Republicans support all these government programs too. In some cases like with the military or Space Force they want more government than Bernie.yuekit
- At least with Bernie the Space Force and giant gold Trump-branded wall will be cancelled. He will put an end to these wasteful socialist projects :)yuekit
- Also on the topic of drugs and who would follow China's drug policy.yuekit
- https://www.vice.com…yuekit
- why i dont follow any party ukit. you are absolutely right, in the right following shitty policy of the left. because its not policy its votes. what can i gi********
- ve you for a vote which isnt mine. I find both acted upon policy of right/left to be the same. It's more or less just a dog and pony show. However the lie the********
- right represent with conservatisism is the better path yet doesn;t yield as man votes********
- as entertaing as this video it is absurd. reagans wife was looking for a cause liek obama lunch room shit. both should have found a book or better hobby