Donald Trump
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on impeachment hearings as a bystander
i listened to the whole session yesterday.
1. boring
2. both sides had valid points
3. wasn't impressed by "concerns" i expected something more substantial
4. trump may very well dodge this
5. schiff is shifty AF
6. fox, nbc, cnn and MSM in general twisting it to death both ways :)- Yup, I am not paying attention to the very end. It's like the Mueller Report - show me the results and I'll pay attention, otherwise it's noise and a headache.formed
- lots of noiserenderedred
- You were bored about being presented with evidence that the president of the united states strong armed a vulnerable ally to investigate a rival?mathinc
- math, are you saying things don't add up?robotron3k
- @math yes i was bored, the evidence was weak at best...renderedred
- the only new thing i learned is that hunter biden sat on the board of an extremely corrupt company... for me it says trump and biden are the same. both corrupt.renderedred
- and this theatre won't solve anythingrenderedred
- if anything it will get trump elected again.renderedred
- Trump makes his corruption way too obvious.Gnash
- "greed is good" ;)renderedred
- The problem for the Dems is that most people don't know or care about Ukraine that much.yuekit
- However if you look at the basics of what Trump did it's pretty bad. Imagine a president blocking military aid to South Korea until the president of thatyuekit
- country does him a favor. It's putting his personal interest over the national security of the country.yuekit
- Boring af. Politics in America is so boring, but not in the good way. It would be better if it was boring because people were getting shit done********
- except, there was no real evidence he actually did it. people were "concerned". and then, the meeting happened, the aid arrived and pres of ukraine did notrenderedred
- Instead, it's boring theatre of the absurd. And news networks telling you every fucking day that the sky is falling. Yawn********
- open ANY investigation, while hunter was on the board of that corrupt company...renderedred
- i know, apples and oranges, but corruption is corruption, biden should be investigated in the same way at least...renderedred
- i mean biden was vp while his son was paid 50k a month to be a token board memberrenderedred
- but that is characterized as "perceived conflict of interest"renderedred
- Well first of all there's nothing illegal about Biden's son getting a job somewhere. You could call it nepotism, cronyism, etc, but that's about it.yuekit
- The idea that Biden himself intervened in Ukraine's politics just to protect his son's job is the part that seems to be made up.yuekit
- trump is just an obvious symptom of a deeply corrupt system.renderedred
- @yuekit, it's obvious joe didn't HAVE to do anything, he was vp at the time. that was enough for nepotism to occur. especially in a country like ukrainerenderedred
- @yuekit and again, trump didn't do anything "illegal" either. at least from what i heard yesterday.renderedred
- I'm actually not a fan of Biden at all and I hope he's not the nominee. But having said that, it doesn't look like he did anything particularly wrong.yuekit
- His son cashed in on the family name to get a consulting job in Ukraine...same as many American political operatives at the time.yuekit
- why wasn't the complaint by one of the witnesses about hunter treated the same way back then? why wasn't he the whistleblower? think about that for a sec...renderedred
- all i can see here developing is the case for giuliani meddling in foreign policy. and trump will throw him under the bus.renderedred
- Because Hunter is a private citizen, he can work wherever he wants right? Unless you're suggesting there was some scheme to funnel money from him to his dad.yuekit
- @yuekit "same as many..." so, you'd be ok with ivanka, jared or don jr sitting on the board of some saudi company?renderedred
- Well I mean...Trump himself is currently profiting from all his global businesses at the same time he's president. And so are his kids.yuekit
- He also appointed his kids directly to the government. He literally put his 30 something real estate developer son in law in charge of the Middle East peaceyuekit
- process :) So like a lot of things, it's pretty hard to take seriously the idea that Trump cares about corruption when he is already doing a much worse versionyuekit
- of it himself.yuekit
- yes he is and his family too. is that illegal?renderedred
- He obviously didn't care about investigating anything, he just wanted the Ukranian president to go on TV and say his country had opened a case against Biden.yuekit
- The question of whether it's illegal or not is up for debate. There's a clause of the constitution that says the president can't accept foreign gifts oryuekit
- donations. And Trump is clearly encouraging it to happen. Foreign governments will buy large numbers of rooms in his hotels and not stayyuekit
- in them while lobbying the U.S. government, stuff like that. But it's kind of a speculative legal issue because no case has ever brought based on this lawyuekit
- before (as I understand it).yuekit
- Or Ivanka getting trademarks from China. Or Jared getting bailed out by foreign investors for his failed office building...mathinc
- I don't care much for Biden, for the record. But JFC, the president of the us used his position to personally benefit his reelection. That's magnitudesmathinc
- I would not be surprised if they were all insider trading based on Trump's tweets.yuekit
- I mean read this story I posted a few days ago: https://www.qbn.com/…yuekit
- larger than Hunter Biden getting 80k/mo on the board of a company. Trumps personal lawyer getting solid diplomats fired because they'll stand in the waymathinc
- of their plans makes us more like a third world dictatorship than a legitimate democratically run country.mathinc
- It shows that Trump is not above making up schemes like this even if they are completely stupid and ridiculous.yuekit
- ^oh, i am sure everybody got their toes wet :)renderedred
- And then all the damn lies. Just look at the timeline and it debunks the 'Joe getting an investigation stopped to benefit his son..' conspiracy.mathinc
- @math as i said this one will be pinned on rudy the idiot ;)renderedred
- Okay, but that boring ass hearing yesterday revealed that Trump called Sondland personally to make sure Ukraine agreed to open the investigation.mathinc
- Sondlands testimony next Wed is going to be.. interesting.mathinc
- Another thing to consider here...if Biden really did something corrupt, the proper way to deal with that would be to have the Justice Department investigate.yuekit
- Not for the president to be unilaterally demanding investigations of the people running against him in an election...that is third world dictatorship stuff.yuekit
- Trump doesn't seem to recognize these kind of legal issues at all. He seems to wish he was running a dictatorship or a crime family or something.yuekit
- I agree the Ukraine thing might not be the most dramatic issue to remove him over but it's yet another example of how he has zero respect for the law oryuekit
- Constitution. Imagine if there was no one leaking this stuff or keeping him in check.yuekit
- the moment he won the election after cheating on his business partners and wives, grabbing pussy, etc. etc. i don't think this will dethrone him, especially notrenderedred
- in the way it's conducted...renderedred
- I tend to agree. While I think this is a serious charge, and I'm guessing the House will send it to the Senate, it'll die there. I honestly don't think anythingmathinc
- will matter. As long as the Senate Rs are protecting him and his supporters are locked into Fox.. they'll spin and confuse everything.mathinc
- my thoughts too @math. whatever happens will die in the senate...renderedred
- the "only" way to beat trump is the election, it seems. IMHO biden is not the one to do it. that much i can say at this point...renderedred
- i really like bernie and warren but they are not strong enough either IMOrenderedred
- I feel what's continually lost in this issue is that DT used tax payer dollars to strong arm a vulnerable ally for his own political campaign. "Our" tax $$$.brandonp