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- haha what of this is due to capitalism? we have gov + insurance companies which gov in quite in bed with.a lack of gov oversight due to basic incentivesdeathboy
- make me wonder if you understand the fundamental idea of capitalism. could me most don't know which is the problemdeathboy
- Yeah Death, what you're saying isn't new. People call this crony capitalism.T-Dawg
- Let's not dumb it down to the by-the-book principles of capitalismT-Dawg
- Because that makes a boring old argument we've all seen in these threads a million times before.T-Dawg
- and yet is always portrayed incorrectly. yes american indian scalps where easily faked for mexicans but we all know it lets not talk about itdeathboy
- Why do you seem to meh mashing of the definitions tdawg? clearly this has lil failure to do with capitalism and more so gov.deathboy
- the gov that is increasingly gaining for control over everything. i'd hardly think of it as meh just dumb it down word play. it a symptom of a larger problemdeathboy
- that keeps growing as a cure for the problem. poison as antidote.deathboy
- I'd disagree, I'd say it's corporations increasingly gaining control over everything, including the governmentT-Dawg
- You don't think it's weird that senators can currently sit on corporate boards, influence policy that affects stocks they own, then retire to become lobbyists?T-Dawg
- You don't think it's weird that the guy in the white House is a brand name, who ran for president as a way to boost sales?T-Dawg
- It's not government 'gaining power' that's the problem. It's that the representation of power is imbalanced, Capitol over peopleT-Dawg
- and yea tdawg that has nothign to do with capitalism. quite the opposite. capitalism is a private method of enterprised where parties trade value freelydeathboy
- you bring gov in and it loses meaning. politicians start gaming rules an regualtions in favors of industry and its not capitalismdeathboy
- capitslism is a pure and basic concept and ideal we have truend into a boogeyman which hasnt existed for a long timedeathboy
- its a goal we should try to achieve. the other is end of the spectrum is no private property and complete control by gov because half control didnt work...deathboy
- i prefer solutions that limit control. even knowing full well and pointing out one that are engineered to make the free system look like a failuredeathboy
- when the regualtors say fin ill let you swim but let me ind you hands and feet... are you really truely free to swim. if you drown is private business to blame?deathboy
- anf tdawg remebr gov in the gatekeeper. private enterprise for the inmate. if the inamte can somehow manage to entice a gatekeeper to sellout. who is the baddeathboy
- guy for accepting bribes, what types are attracted to the bribes and perhaps the entire system is fucked where the system is designed around bribesdeathboy
- take the power of business from the gatekeepers and you have no one bribing. well at elast i most sectors not involved in military industrail complexdeathboy
- military is the one real aspect of gov.deathboy
- Really, that's interesting, military for what purpose, defense of industry? Expansionism?T-Dawg
- At what point do neighbours who share the same ideals become enemies?T-Dawg
- In this purely 'capitalist' fantasy we're conjuring, doesn't the end game just amount to cartels (or companies) fighting for territory and resources.T-Dawg
- Much like in countries with little government accountability, control or oversightT-Dawg
- Well let's, rephrase that to 'free market' fantasy, if we want to keep definitions by the book.T-Dawg
- deathboy, you just argued FOR regulations, you realize that right?monospaced
- Just to build upon your analogy, if there is no gatekeeper, the inmates run the prisonT-Dawg
- What I desire is accountability on all sides, at least one can vote for a gatekeeper and try to keep the bad ones out of the systemT-Dawg
- And what I originally described were symptoms of crony capitalism. If you disagree with the term, take it up with the folks who coined it 40 years agoT-Dawg
- No tdawg your cartels and companies exist only in the cronie capitalism catalog. Again not a failure of capitalism but of gov enticement to private enterprisedeathboy
- Can a cartel exist without gov help? You will see if gov stayed away in pretty much any instance you can think of a cartel wouldn't exist.deathboy
- and that isn't fantasy that is hard fact truth BRO. Do you play video games at all? Do you understand patch systems and behaviors involved? On one hand theredeathboy
- is a rule maker. That can arbitarily change anything, nerf a gun, fix a spawn point, all those rules effect how the best advantages are played out. And askdeathboy
- any developer how surprised what they thought would happen did not happen. and surprisingly the game is still excitingdeathboy
- but when the game gets long in the tooth and everything is so balanced and equal and stagnate, people bounce for a new gamedeathboy
- a couple parables to take from such behavior. humans desire somw chaos for advantages. and if a central gov gets it all balanced will ppl play?deathboy
- and military purely for defense. im more a jeffersonian type that rather be farmers than world cops.deathboy
- i know our leaders scheming and shit make us not look like ghana. i may not respect the methods, but i do like the conveniences of subjugating so many.deathboy
- i also know most ppl are stupid and see its a us vs them mentality... anti-capitalism displays such mentality. hard to argue against with reason agai tribalism.deathboy
- world is a fascinating place. but it breaks down to almost all 1 and 0. Indvidualism vs collectivism in our societies. A mix of bothdeathboy
- Find it hard for anyone to think collectivism scale in direction is a good thing. We may never reach pure individualism through genetic safeties, but withoutdeathboy
- i find that as a true measurement of mans accomplishment and success. individual freedom. Real enlightenment. See the periods of timesdeathboy
- were of such thinking.deathboy
- so basically we're back to rousseau vs hobbesT-Dawg
- maybe. depends on how you express the similiarities and would need to take a side and why. you seem to understand the argument, yet dont take a side?deathboy
- or at least back a side. like fuck the individual we all ants supporting the the mighty queens. or we are are all ants but our individual choices dictate who wedeathboy
- support vs forcedeathboy
- personall i see the H vs R argument as purely relative to man made concepts. I dont think man is either evil or good. not sure morality plays a part at all.deathboy
- but reason. why should one man work for another arguement. the hypocrisy and logical fallicies to support all collectivism. it can only exist if the individualdeathboy
- doesnt. or at least in a early society where mjority of rule makers understood the inherent flaws of society and trie to prevetn them by lawdeathboy
- and a future society could clean them up, but hey thermodynamics of systems right?deathboy