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ukit what bugs you the most about republicans and the right? Cant shake this feeling you are a bit team biased. You actually remind me a bit of my old CD from the south. He went to a fancy private school came up really liberal, but dad is super R team and I believe religious with how much he despises religion... He is political to a point where popular views of party are questioned to the point its not abstract and real action is needed. Than typically folds and says well neither party has the solution, which i agree with. Although its a bit of a fake retreat. cake and eat i too for belief. I think his party issue is more directly a father issue and religion... not saying yours is but i see a strong bias a lot. If i was to guess it isn't a hang up on anything, accept you want to do good. But you believe certain methods don't provide good, and or understand will never provide the idea of good you seek. Which creates a sub par worldview. And disconnect and juggle between values and what you hope to see.
Does that seem close in introspect? Totally different? Misconstrued your values? Just something I'd thought I'd ask, not sure if I have, maybe better approach to understanding. Talk from soap boxes with assumptions but never really ask why initial thinkings.
- Why are you singling me out? You're making it sound like it's wrong to have an opinion when basically everyone does.yuekit
- First Republican president I'm old enough to remember is Bush. After that Trump. Do I really need to explain anymore? :)yuekit
- singling you out because curious. I do see partisan bias and curious if you see it or why?********
- bush 1 or 2. And is bush the standard of measurement of party affiliation?.********
- and i know everyone has opinion. myself included. you make rationale arguments.why shouldn't i try to understand your views?********
- im am very curious why you think objectively you prefer right vs left. i think to really understand its more than candidate based. that is merely representative********
- curious what values you affiliate the right with that you disagree with and what value the left have u argee with. personally you seem argumentatively less********
- partisan but seem a need to choose one over the other despite any value in the activity. So curious what values drive you for your choice side dish.********
- I think there is a deep divide in the U.S. culturally, racially, etc. Republicans are the party of culturally conservative whites.yuekit
- If you are a minority, if you live in a big city, are not religious, you're probably not a Republican. Might sound like I'm being biased or negative butyuekit
- in reality you see the same thing in basically every country in the world. The culturally conservative ethnic majority is the right-wing party.yuekit
- So coming from a background of being none of those things, it seems almost ridiculous to consider voting for Republicans, especially sinceyuekit
- they are going down this path of being openly racist and hostile to anyone who is different from them.yuekit
- lolmonospaced
- Deathboy I think you're on to something, shit tons of liberals have an Oedipus complexrobotron3k
- no its not that at all like that robo. i actually respect ukit. i think its a culture thing and what we see and what we respond too.********
- but ukit you didn't describe any party values. i will agree with your demographic hypothesis and especially sicne billions of dollars have been pumped to fuel********
- those sentiments. not all but most, some people smarter and dont fall into the media portrayals. Not sure basing party lines on .. are those the "values"...********
- being white?.. i think race card in politics is well long in the tooth and reinforcing with sterotypes. yes rich people dont like poor immigrants********
- and rish white people love to run for office out of some ego failing prey on poor minorities to fuel hate for their votes.********
- its funny when you step back and look and also so fuckin sad. its 2019 that race bait shit needs to go to bed. as a thought experiment ukit if it went********
- away what would be the difference between the parties? if race not an issue is it purely economic class? Is it basic robin hood. steal from rich give to the********
- poor? where real values comes into play and real rights for governing. limited gov would benefit your racial qualms i believe, especially considering thigns********
- minimum wage, welfare, and other programs designes specifically to hold people down. should look at indian tribes that said fuck gov money and buitl casinos********
- and personally ukit i think you put a little too much into party lines. party is a soap opera at this point with no meaning. tocqueville said it best.********
- no offense. everyones opinions and that. dont think you take offense but sometimes have to say it. i do appreciate the response though********
- You say it's sad that race bait shit still exists and then ask what's wrong with Republicans. As if Trump didn't build his entire campaign around raceyuekit
- and identity politics. This abstract ideal of limited government is very far from the actual Republican party that exists today.yuekit
- but see yuekit you are only seeing one side. ignoring the billions spent by the left to portray that image. or even the role the politics play in it********
- Of course before Trump there were plenty of issues I had with Republicans such as foreign policy, or their terrible record on civil liberties.yuekit
- does the left not cater to identity politics? personally i find both shit. no party of principles. just teams and those memebrs will for self interests as********
- any wallstreet trader will chase any advantage and gain or ideal that nets their pockets regardless of "greater good"********
- But it now seems to have transitioned into being a party based entirely around culture war issues.yuekit
- i just get the impression you might be culturally going for one team a bit blindly. your only team "value" was anti white adage.********
- and if i havent said it enough i think trump and his methods were terrible. i want to think he is dumb af but he played so many ppl so well********
- But yeah I find it a little silly this idea that I'm biased as if I have to keep an open mind forever no matter how terrible one of the options is.yuekit
- also still waiting to see how this trade war goes. blantant calls to fed.. its so unprecedented. he does knwo tv and so few realize how there favorite "reality"********
- shows are scripted and engineered. he may be bringing that elemnt to the presidential stage. again neil postman...********
- but im off on a tangent. would you liek limited gov ukit? small in hands off on most things liek health insurance, marriage, etc....********
- sorry i didnt know you were posting... waited a bit********
- i think you are boased to the party line. You can see foreign policy and civil liberty issues differ along party lines. I'd guess you actually like donald trump********
- foreign policy over obamas or even hilary clintons********
- Instead of backing a party why not just back the policy? ditch chasing stereotypes. just pure policy. a bit like the economist not having bylines********
- they knwo the work is sometimes a collab, or a diverse set of opinion ,uch liek politics and instead of tying it to a name or team you have to decide for********
- yourself on the policy or what it is instead of doing that stereotype human grouping thought shit.********
- do you really not think you have no biased as far as parties are concerned?********
- I'm just reacting to the political situation as it actually exists in the U.S. If this was some other country and you had a different right and left I mightyuekit
- have a different opinion. For instance I used to live in France and I don't think the current president is wrong to try to reform some of the labor lawsyuekit
- Of course I do pay attention to the policies but what are the good and thoughtful policies that Trump has implemented?yuekit
- No not a fan of his foreign policy either. It just seems like imperialism by another means with the trade wars and demanding other countries do what he wants.yuekit
- And in general the idea of "nationalism" is something I'm very much against. I think it should be easier for people to immigrate and trade around the world.yuekit
- i agree with the last statement 100%. the problem with that is current safety net policy and wether a ecosystem can handle it. politicians have created quite********
- big knots i don;t think can be unraveled do to the social nature of things. policies trump has implemented personally....hmm its a tough one********
- i guess the biggest for me and personally reflected is the tax code stuff. i have always known it unfair for state/mortgage tax reductions********
- and lowering the rates help me being SP. the role back on obamacare also help me and rolling back rules regarding short term healthcare********
- i had a bitchin policy for 100 mo i was covered globally up to 2 million for any medical issue. i think it was april 2016 obamacare********
- changed that and the company left the market as well as most. and I was left with like 3 companies in my state where I had like 12-16 before. United and********
- some fly by nights which worked as non profits collecting dues on top ... really strange.. I think he started strong with the FAA de-regulation but got killed.********
- I think he has instilled some backbone in people again. in the JFK its not what your country can do for you sense. I think sometimes he talks about issues like********
- immigration more truthfully, however with partisain spin.and for perspective im thinking of how rural american being centralized to city states and dying off.********
- in as much effect domestically i think we are also seeign that globally especially looking at the UK and we are a light looking at shit below us********
- even we have successfully used immigration to help destabalize countries and politics. without a doubt immigration is a threat to stablized economies.********
- obama did the smile and the talk points and deport a shit ton of ppl.... i dont know if i like that style personally... sometimes i wish trump would use it********
- I also can't help but feel something is in play not privy to media. something we have been strugglin to fight which is our debt and reserve currency status********
- china since 2000 has insanely used its currency to buy up assets and manipulate third worlds... similar to way we do with IMF... and im still just watching it********
- play out through trade. which sucks for those effected, but i think if clinton won we'd be doing the regular USA fuckin back to back WW champ shit********
- and be into iran or russia as proxies to hope winnie the poo economy collapses under him. the world runs on money more than popular liberal causes.********
- and i find trumps insane methods of madness intriguing vs the status quo. Reminds me a bit chomsky cold war era. I have NO idea wether it will work, or what********
- players are actually in play but it's interesting. i also dont put it past him with background to be faking all the fed drama********
- he's an entertaining politician which disgusts me our politics have come down to but hey again neil postman, predicted it, nailed it.********
- and the only time i ever voted was last election for gary johnson. he gave it a good shot. losing campaign but a vote was like a high five for effort.********
- which brings up a good point. what do you think of bill weld. intelligent, historian buff, charismatic, but i cant help think he isn't principled.********
- or is because he is running as an R just no good? Socially liberal fiscally conservative... just not sure how'd he beat the war drums.********
- and last thing i want to do is finally go in on this super inflated assets economy on a home and have some country drop bombs on it. hope to stay first world********
- until i die or at least get cancer of something. Than drop the bombs and go all out********
- I'm sure Bill Weld would be a huge improvement over Trump, but realistically does he stand any chance at all?yuekit
- He has to beat Trump in the primary right? Republican voters support Trump by something like 90%, and the GOP is even cancelling some of the state primaries.yuekit
- In this arena not really. Its a jerry springer audience cheering for anyone more over the top and trump has that xp down. what is sense and sensibility amongst********
- such a crowd. think biden will pull it and trump will run or not based on futures. a weld vs biden would pull us back to the regular status********
- ppl not shouting ill make this happen through executive order and the nonsense that got trump elected. media will be pissed though********
- recent years politics is cool, viewers up, is like socially progressive man..you know to support parties THE party and like save the planet ...man********