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Out of context: Reply #326

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    • I wonder if a multinational pharmaceutical company came up with the Insulin Pen? ... #thingstothinkabouti...hotroddy
    • Again, what the fuck are you talking about? It was invented in Norway where public spending per GDP on health is highest in the world.kingsteven
    • I work in a University designing for Pharmacists, in labs doing research zapping cancers with plasma beams anything you want to know? shit for brains...kingsteven
    • Research which is almost all funded by governments and later developed in to products by pharmaceutical companies...kingsteven
    • what part of the insulin (produced in our bodies) pen (essentially a package/ branded syringe) costs $700?kingsteven
    • The healthcare insurance wrapper.Nairn
    • the analogs developed in labs paid for by tax payers are generate insane profit and doctors in privatised healthcare will not prescribe alternativeskingsteven
    • so some poor fucker has to go and but cheaper insulin in walmart without the associated healthcare advice... how is that not completely fucked up?kingsteven
    • Millions spent in R&D, lobbyists and reps but have nothing to do with how and why these products are developed. The link between profit and deaths is clear.kingsteven
    • I'm embarrassed it's so pricey in Canada.i_monk
    • Someone has to pay for the Scots, i_monkNairn
    • so king you know the costs of development. why high consumer cost?deathboy
    • all i see is a cost in many countries spread, while US rule and regulations have created little competition. and an over consumption of insurancedeathboy
    • makes for a sky high price on basic consumable goods. Ideathboy
    • EpiPen - $8 to manufacture a 2 pack, available since 1977 (R&D costs long since recouped)... Bought by Mylan in 2005 when it cost $57 - they now charge $600kingsteven
    • Because in the States they can charge what they want. In the UK the NHS buys bulk @ $69 per pen. And it's free to the end user...kingsteven
    • (well £8 prescription fee in England, free in NI & Scotland)kingsteven
    • <£80p/m out of my tax funds the NHS and would gladly pay more - Medication, Doctors, Hospitals, Ambulance all included.kingsteven
    • And that's for everyone, not just me... I have mates in the states paying 10 times that for insurance with a fraction of conditions covered...kingsteven
    • And our system would be better if it wasn't for American companies charging stupid money for drugs for rarer conditions that cant be bulk bought.kingsteven
    • Where does the subsidy begin and end. Free market cost with free competition ( patents and licenses) is a bit different.deathboy
    • Like for example UK takes advantage of US pharmeuticals and we pay for it. but a big part deals with nationalized insurances and stuff that ignore marketdeathboy
    • principles. The problem to costs is over insurance. state run, subsidized, and what not. Such programs also in the US lean towards end of life care for profitdeathboy
    • margins. extend life of someone already dead for 1-2 years results in nearly 200K. Also when insurance is over used it looks towards focused efforts in profitdeathboy
    • margins. this does not change wether state ran or not. the only thing changes in state ran is more delay and stretch out costs for budgets more paper workdeathboy
    • the biggest problem with health care is insurance and gov incentives involved with it.deathboy
    • the NHS don't subsidise drugs, the best drugs available (not generics) are free because that is the decent thing to do... the reason our system is inefficientkingsteven
    • is because half-brained liberal wankers like yourself have been underfunding it for years and facilitating it's break up and sell off...kingsteven
    • i mentioned norway, for a small amount more in tax revenue they have the best health system in the world. yes, it's that fucking easy.kingsteven
    • and take your serfdom and racist BS your thinking about spouting about Norway's population and shove it up your hole it's BS... you have been brainwashed.kingsteven
    • I don't think I've ever seen someone on QBN spout ignorant opinion as unsubstantiated fact so much as deathboy.
      Don't waste your time on him, kingsteven
      Nairn
    • hah, Nairn he doesn't seem like a bad lad... some people believe in a god that hates homos, DB believes in some elaborate economic version of "Man the fuck up"kingsteven
    • and in both cases, I don't care what justifies your hardships and gets you through the day, just don't push it on the rest of us...kingsteven
    • norway has oil money, only 5 million people, and highly educated monolithic country.hotroddy
    • folks get upset when I mention venezuela but referencing Norway is more ridiculoushotroddy
    • oh here's the other one right on cue... i'm talking about a small percentage increase in income tax contribution to properly fund nationalised health services.kingsteven
    • the health service in Norway was only fully nationalised in 2002 and investment in infrastructure has centralised treatment in to specialised centers...kingsteven
    • while the UK govt throws money at privately operated regional centres. the Norwegian approach is much more cost effective and improves patient outcomeskingsteven
    • I've worked in the states and you guys pay more tax (well slightly less under trump) than the UK and get shit all for it. nationalised heath care,kingsteven
    • public transport and postal services/ communications infrastructure is not an anti-capitalist or inherently socialist thing to wish for. it just makes sense IMOkingsteven
    • " the NHS doesnt subsidize drugs" haha what is it they do than?deathboy
    • i will agree with your sentiment of not pushing shit on others though. you seem to not want my hardships... yet support others..?deathboy
    • what you like is me shoving my dick of hardships down your throat. the harder the better and more morally devout. what i need u give.deathboy
    • king another thing you can check out is how the a large amount of the biggest not for profits are ran by big pharmadeathboy
    • they game the liberal systems rules lobbying foolish politicians for what sounds like "good" political soundbyte policy. However it is a anti-competitive measudeathboy
    • sure to subsidize costs while gettin larger profits from insurance companies. Subsidizing co-pays is hella lucrative.deathboy

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