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    the worst part about trump is that he has been exposing the toothless nature of the democratic party and everyone who was complicit in the shitshow that got him elected through various institutional failures are still betting on wayward capitalists with pliable/for-hire morals to beat him and nobody fucking bats an eye.

    this motherfucker is gonna get re-elected unless americans decide to grow a fucking spine and say hey maybe stagnant wages while CEO pay is so high is a bad fucking thing. like, not debatable. just bad.

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    • "everyone" read: NY times, DNC, "think" tanks like third way, mommy bloggerscolin_s
    • Do you think politicians control wages? Do you think politicians control the renumeration of CEOs? And, do you think that bringing parity to corporate...Morning_star
    • ...salary structures is THE biggest issue the US is facing at the moment?Morning_star
    • i think that capitalist values infect social ideologies and that individualism is hurting the proletariat from feeling empowered to demand equalitycolin_s
    • and by "demand" i don't mean twitter rants, i mean hanging people like jeff bezos from a lamp-post until somebody makes significant change.colin_s
    • change being across the board, be it military funding, tax dodging, homeless veterans, immigrant treatment, all of it. change or fire.colin_s
    • politicians control what the system allows them to, so we rebuild the fucking system if it isn't working. no excuses for fuckery.colin_s
    • yupmonospaced
    • Nope. What you have described is an impossible naive fantasy. Exactly how different are you to Jeff Bezos?Morning_star
    • you're an optimist colin, the bastard is getting another term, and i do agree with your observation.renderedred
    • Yes. This is the reason why I agreed with whoever said this in 2016...Hillary would be a good president for the system we have now, Bernie would be a good presiallthethings
    • dent for the system we need.allthethings
    • @Morning_star Of course public policies can influence this. If you massively cut taxes for the rich, you are "controlling wages."yuekit
    • The quantitative easing that was pursued in many countries also had the effect of dramatically widening the gap between rich and poor, even if unintentional.yuekit
    • Why is the gap between rich and poor important to you? The number people living in 'extreme poverty' has dropped by 1.5bn globally since 1990. Extreme poverty..Morning_star
    • ...has all but disappeared in North America and Europe. The majority of those experiencing extreme poverty are in sub-saharan Africa. I don't understand why...Morning_star
    • ...you'd choose to focus on the 'gap' when the severity of poverty is universally decreasing. Unless, of course, you're not interested in the poor and feel...Morning_star
    • ...it's better for your agenda to falsely blame a few men with huge amounts of money for all the worlds ills.Morning_star
    • So are you saying there would never be a point where extreme inequality would be an issue, in terms of corruption, inefficient distribution of resources, etc?yuekit
    • If so, at what point would it become a problem? Maybe when three people own as much wealth as half of the country?yuekit
    • ...which is the current situation in the U.S. as ridiculous as it sounds. You seem to be framing it like you would have to be some sort of leftie ideologue toyuekit
    • care about this at all, when in fact the downsides are pretty obvious.yuekit
    • Why is inequality a problem? Surely, access to opportunities within a fair system is the goal NOT making everyone equal. If inequality exists because of...Morning_star
    • ..corruption or limited access to resources then that's a corruption issue or a resource issue NOT an inequality issue. Inequality is a shit 'catch all' word...Morning_star
    • ...that means nothing without context but evokes a universal emotional response. All talk, no action.Morning_star
    • "Access to opportunities" is a bit meaningless if it's only on paper. Let's say you live in a society where the vast majority are living paycheck to paycheckyuekit
    • or in debt, while a tiny elite hoards all the wealth, do you really think that's a recipe for a stable, productive society?yuekit
    • I get what you're trying to say...inequality isn't necessarily an issue if everyone is better off. However in practice that's rarely how it works out.yuekit
    • Extreme poverty may have gone down in the developing world, but in the U.S. a lot of people are doing worse than their parents and barely have any savings...yuekit
    • and this is in what is supposed to be the world's richest economy. Not much comfort to them that someone's situation in Bangladesh or whatever has improvedyuekit
    • slightly.yuekit
    • The US sits 19th in the global GDP per capita rankings. The US economy is not even close to the worlds richest economy. The fact that people barely have any...Morning_star
    • ...savings is not really an issue, the real issue is if people barely have any FOOD! It's difficult to get past the inherent privilege that runs through your...Morning_star
    • ...protestations about inequality. You live in a capitalist society and take advantage of all the advantages that gives. Socialism will not make that any less..Morning_star
    • ...palatable.Morning_star
    • There are different ways of measuring "richest" but it's definitely near the top in most rankings, and the biggest in absolute terms.yuekit
    • But you're right, if you look at mixed economies around the world they vary by GDP per capita, standard of living, inequality and other factors.yuekit
    • The idea that you could never set things up differently from the current U.S. system or that it's a binary choice between "capitalism" and "socialism" doesn'tyuekit
    • make much sense IMO.yuekit
    • You know what, i agree with you. The most obvious option to me is to take the best features from each system and make them work.Morning_star
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