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- Would you pay more for free beer?shapesalad
- hehePonyBoy
- "Would you like to switch from paying a higher amount in private insurance to a lower amount in taxes for public insurance that covers everything?"yuekit
- I'd like to pay more taxes so you can finally get that GED diploma.zaq
- I’d contribute to a better educated working class and increasing the nations ranks in these areas. Naturally.monospaced
- 'that covers everything' MY ASS... lol... nice try though, yuekit... enjoy your pain pillsPonyBoy
- PonyBoy why do you think it's called SINGLE PAYER healthcare? Sure it might not cover plastic surgery, you might need to wait longer in some casesyuekit
- but go ask people in countries that have universal coverage if they would like to switch for the insane U.S. system...almost none of them would.yuekit
- no offense - I really don't give a fuck about other countries... we're 320+ Mill people... the countries you're referring to don't compare in size (or cost)PonyBoy
- now if you're up for allowing States to do their own thing (Romney care)—I'm game. But on a whole our needs aren't the same... it'll get fucked up if it's Nat'lPonyBoy
- And 'plastic surgery' isn't what I was referring to when I mentioned 'pain pills'. (you know this though) :)PonyBoy
- I am looking forward, as a business owner, to paying much less when everyone is covered. I like investing in America's people.formed
- For pharma and plastic surgery, I've got Wall Street (JNJ covers both of those)formed
- So you don't think a country of 300 million can draw any lessons from a country of 80 or 100 million?yuekit
- I guess we should cancel all national programs since someone forgot to tell the government it can't possibly work once you go past a certain number :)yuekit
- Anyway my point was simply that it's not that hard to frame the question accurately. Your taxes would not be going up in isolation, you would be switching fromyuekit
- paying private insurer to paying government insurer. Almost all countries that do this pay less.yuekit
- yuekit: Don't worry, one day he might realize that Europe has more people and runs a single payer healthcare system. You guys are so fucked right now, youzarkonite
- actually have a law in place that forbids Medicaid and Medicare from negotiating the price of supplies. Basically your healthcarezarkonite
- "system" is a giant subsidy system for insurance and pharma companies.zarkonite
- and this system will be fixed by injecting more money into. Same way individual mandates and more spending with obamacare helped...********
- the idea of simply spending money solves nothing. in fact that kind of thinking is pretty fuckin retarded and out of touch with reality.********
- @death Who mentioned the idea of simply spending money? You're attacking a straw man.T-Dawg
- Also @Pony's notion that it can't be done in a country of 320+ mil is silly. A larger population in a wealthy nation, means more tax dollars to spend.T-Dawg
- The argument is about moving money away from the current expensive system, which doesn't cover everyone, towards a different system.T-Dawg
- Which would cover everyone. Even the Koch brothers's funded study showed the healthcare reform would save trillions of dollars.T-Dawg
- And single payer isn't even the only option. There are other systems that aren't single payer that ensure universal coverage.T-Dawg
- no strawman. its pure allocation of funds from A to B. That is the whole arguement as sold. basic? yes. generalized? yes. Do they think much about it besides********
- angle to get elected? no. And Ponys comment is important when making generalized comparisons that idiots do.********
- for example tdawg you admit its moving money from one system or from some people to another but you dont even define what that system or why it would work********
- which is what i call pathetically hopeful thinking or chasing rainbows. fix the system by fixing the problems. go back you will see the main problem is the********
- "fixes" gov made to make things more affordable. eliminate all incentives for any third party to be involved. let hospitals turn away, dont incentivize hospital********
- to monopolize and buy up all practioners for more fed funds. so much can be done without tryign to spend more on broken systems********
- if you think a new system needs more money to work you are a sucker.********
- oh and that koch brothers thing being spun is garbage. focus is on money spent which means little when so much more to consider.********
- but is interesting that people accept the idea 30 trillion in ten years is acceptable. do ppl have no idea of money or what that really equates to and how********
- it really is. those numbers in relation to GDP... like WTF.. jsut ppl wanting shit without knowing anything about anything********
- reminds me of goethe when mephistopheles convinces the king of making money. The MMT and ignorant masses jumping on it out of greedy self interest********
- and free health care without a doubt is a greedy ass self interest. so much ppl even try to call it a right in justification in hopes to ease the guilt********
- The US is the only highly developed country without universal healthcare. Does every other developed nation all have it wrong? Is it all greed& ignorant masses?T-Dawg
- Zero of those countries have free market healthcare systems.T-Dawg
- Is any system perfect? No. Would any of those countries willingly give up their universal coverage, also no.T-Dawg
- The US is all historically young and its roots have been historical for many other countries. We are young and have suffered less entrophy********
- As far as greed and ignorant masses. Yes. Have you ever seen a smart non-ignorant mass? Those masses are cancerous systems.********
- No. no system is perfect but clearly there is a better way vs worse way, pending on values. I value freedom. Others value perceived security at any costs.********
- Same thing the US fought against and $100 dolla balla made some nice quotes about. The problem is security means subjugation to fear. and subjugating ppl********
- choice and freedoms, which is not friendly for those that don't share the same fear. And once that heroine state controlled drip gets installed the majority********
- will never want it repealed. shit becomes a stagnate pond. holding back the minority that raised the whole. until the weight of the state collapses********
- which historically is the case. the US has let the typical entrophy take place and is going the way of the other nations.********
- might not seem like much but if you look at things like percentage of new pharma is US derived. We may see a much larger global stagnation as we slowly become********
- gov socialized. hell trump is a perfect example of this failure in thinking gov can decide everything biz related********
- hes pissed he doesnt have Xi power. and trying but its just a giant cluster fuck now. Xi probably better off than we are with mroe control but ppl worse off********