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- colin_s5
the abortion laws aren't to actually prevent abortion, but to perpetuate a cycle of debt.
even if a poor child makes it through unyielding circumstances to, say, get in to college, short of having a full ride they're also going to be stuck paying for the loans - becoming a cog in a system of reliable consumption and profit for the people who are funding these sorts of laws.
if a child doesn't make it to college, they'll be service workers at best or populations for an increasingly privatized prison state, allowing again these right wingers to profit.
make no mistake: none of this is about life, or even caring one way or another about abortion. it's a perpetuation of economic servitude and the slave-fueled backbone of capitalism. these men are modern tyrants, thieves and pillagers and they will induce violence both existential and physical on the world until action beyond whining on television / the internet is taken to fight back.
(said action doesn't need to be the guillotine - it could be fiscal or union-oriented in abandoning certain sectors of capitalism, but even then there are towns with literally no option other than to work at and shop at a wal-mart. the guillotine will likely come once this tipping point is reached, though.)
- maybe that but definitely about controlling women and their bodies.lowimpakt
- @lowimpakt i think that's the line they draw for the debate to keep it about social mores and not long-term benefits.colin_s
- if you create a narrative around prejudice you can keep the debate opinion based and the people divided. immigration, gun reform, this.colin_s
- the same people will profit from all of it, and democrats are almost as complicit, legislators in general and the industries that fund them.colin_s
- tl:dr - kill poor people?Gnash
- or, more like make more of them ... for profit?monospaced
- Ah, so DEM = kill the poor, GOP = exploit the poor, I get it.Gnash
- Fantastic perspective colin_s. It's not all about this, but I certainly feel there's a decent undercurrent of these motivations.mg33
- @Gnash, dems aren't about killing the poor, they're about giving women the choice to abort a fetus, to avoid real problems and threatsmonospaced
- it's been shown already that restricting abortions contributes to the poverty base and causes a lot of unwanted children, a vicious cyclemonospaced
- I think another use for fighting over abortion is to win votes in politics. That's been proven time and time again.monospaced
- ah, ok. the 'choice' to kill the poor before they become bigger problemsGnash
- to be clear, i think this bill is ridiculous, and women should have autonomy over their own bodies. i just don't like the sugar coat. call it what it is.Gnash
- I feel like we're in agreement though. Yeah, the choice is often to ensure a better life for herself or the child. That much is obvious. Nobody likes doing it!monospaced
- the idea that aborting a fetus is killing a baby is totally debatable, too, and therefore pro choice isn't just sugar coatingmonospaced
- not a better life for the child, just not a life.Gnash
- it s debatable, but in semantics only. everybody knows what's actually happening.Gnash
- and you're right it sucks, but I do believe that the rhetoric around this issue leads many to believe that it's a benign procedure, when it's anything butGnash
- In many cases, it is to prevent a horrible, short, agonizing life for a child, actually. Some argue some life is better than none, but they are being subjectivemonospaced
- "what's actually happening" is a fetus is being terminated, and the debate is whether it is unethical. I wouldn't call it murder, though.monospaced
- I wouldn't even call an early term fetus a child yet. Until later term, it's mostly a parasite without proper brain function or consciousnessmonospaced
- Do you have children? If so, did you face the possibility of a real complication during pregnancy, or discuss abortion in a real scenario?monospaced
- i do have kids. plus i've lost one to a miscarriage, and lost another to an ectopic pregnancy.Gnash
- when you want them, they are anything but a brainless parasiteGnash
- however, my wife and I disagreed on whether to keep the pregnancy if test showed he/she had a condition like downs s.Gnash
- regardless, I don't believe that the majority of abortions are executed because of health complications.Gnash
- ha "it's a perpetuation of economic servitude and the slave-fueled backbone of capitalism"********
- You ever actually question voter base enslavement by certain parties?********
- to run people into the ground and offer solutions... its a great method. does original sin ring a bell?********
- And how would free enterprise allow certain people to be oppressed being free. most of what you describe seems to be derived of politics and left leaning********
- theres a lot you need to think about since its quite hypocritical in what i believe is what you would like to see as "end game"********
- another nonsensical, tangential rantmonospaced
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