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- BusterBoy0
Question for the Americans here...what happens to people that are sick who have little or no healthcare? I have relatives over there, but they're all pretty well off and have good healthcare...everything they know is anecdotal.
But what if you're in your 30's with no family and a poor paying job...and you get cancer? Or ALS. Or you need a kidney transplant. What actually happens to these people...do they get any form of subsidised healthcare or do they just wither away and die?
- They leach off the government and abuse services they didn't contribute to, according to most selfish conservatives you might come across.mg33
- there is an old movie called john q. check it. any catastrophic without insurance.. mexico or india are your only options.BonSeff
- bankruptcy then death.capn_ron
- Have you seen Breaking Bad?whatthefunk
- Well they most likely will go in via local city services already sick to a point. Like Bellvue in NYC is free clinic, hospital. But costs still incure for meds.robotron3k
- I've heard directly that people who make money also abuse the free medical being offered or coming from other countries, being treated, then returning, etc...robotron3k
- A night at Bellevue is just as expensive as any hospital ffs. Nothing is free. People go into massive debt, or worse, don’t get treatment at all.monospaced
- I kind of have an idea what the answer to my question is. Just astounds me the idea that subsidised state healthcare is "socialism".BusterBoy
- Most Americans have zero clue how a modern, compassionate healthcare system works in most first world countries.BusterBoy
- None are perfect...and the problems are the things that are highlighted my Repubs. But the benefits far outweigh anything present in the US system.BusterBoy
- The GOP has successfully sold selfishness as the end-all. If anyone wants to help other citizens it's 'handouts' and 'lazy folk'.formed
- Now add the fear mongering of "socialism" - look at Venezuela! - and more support for corporate/wealthy control continues, less rights for individuals.formed
- modern compansionate healthcare system.. is this an ad. what is this healthcare you speak of? Since selling cupcakes is different at a roadside diner vs trendy********
- urban locale. lets make a true comparison of the differences and see what works logically and fiscally. Education, to cost control, IP, demographics, populatio********
- culture, funds, all matter. As I have said we could freeze spending at a higher level of GDP than most countries and expand medicare to all. However that would********
- cause extreme rationing. and anyone who's dealt with medicare also can imagine the bureacratic nightmares it would cause********
- which should instantly highlight MAJOR differences that don't come down to just money, and that general comparisons have little credence********
- ^ LOL!!!!!!!!Continuity
- I know, right?monospaced
- American here. Bankruptcy and death is correct, or ER visits and nonpayment, ruined credit rating.allthethings
- I was run over by a car, which uncovered cancer. I had Obamacare, which wasn't cheap, but the bills would have bankrupted me in two weeks.allthethings
- The GOP has not only fear-mongered, they've insisted that things like Medicare and Social Security are "entitlements," even though we pay for both in paychecksallthethings
- Deathboy can fuck right off with the idea that Medicare is bad, or badly run. It's great, and I can't wait to be able to get it so I can retire. It's the onlyallthethings
- thing keeping me working. You can retire with a nest egg, but your nest egg had better be multiple millions so long as healthcare is profit drivenallthethings
- Profit-driven healthcare is fucking nuts. This isn't widgets, it's people's lives. The reason we have govt is to pool resources to help everyoneallthethings
- That's what the army is for, police and fire, farm policies, interstate highways, air traffic...the govt is supposed to be for the common good.allthethings
- That's what Of the People, For the People is supposed to mean. GOP cuntsallthethings
- Insurance = socialism. Everybody pays in a little so that the pooled resources are used when people have catastrophes they have to deal with.allthethings
- By the way, this idea of "keeping your doctor" cracks me up. All my doctors have retired, and I've got new guys half my age. I predict theyallthethings
- will also have retired during my lifetime. My dad was a doctor, started during the era of housecalls. He retired because the new medicine was so fucked up, moreallthethings
- about money and paperwork than treating people. This is the American system.allthethings
- My mate lived in California, was a semi-pro skater, but he moved back to Scotland when his daughter got cancer, he wasn't well off enough to pay for treatmentPhanLo
- where he was. First treatment went well here, but the cancer came back and she died. He definitely be bankrupt if he'd stayed in the US.PhanLo
- I question the cost. I should fuck off. Seems logical. Or emotional and driven by the desire to only see what you want. You didn't even address what you think********
- would happen if you open medicare to all (current 49 million) and froze the percentage of GDP which is higher than most countries. Now those funds need to********
- service over 300 million. What do you think would happen to quality of care... and medicare quality is already shitty. Ask people.********
- AS far as SS, medicare being entitlements they are. The whole idea is based on selling you will get more for your money than you put in. If not why not just********
- save? I think you are looking at all of this with great biased naivety. its not immoral to accept people are unequal and some get shit cards, nor should one********
- feel any guilt. when we see shit stained homeless asking for dollars or pissing on our cars or bringing down property values we go ugh... we here lil susie got********
- cancer and cant afford care. that should never happen and help me feel better to think ill never have to deal with that. Very little difference yet big differ********
- ence in cultural views. reminds me of diogenes -When asked why people give to beggars but not to philosophers, he replied, 'Because they expect they may become********
- lame and blind, but never that they will become philosophers.' I think this natural tendency is to blame for such ignorance********
- also buster look at this https://surgerycente…
centers like this got killed in CA for being anti competitive to state ran control******** - there white papers help explain a lot of costs. ad why an appedectomy might cost from $600-$200K. Have to get to the root causes********
- you're one note short of a dozenmonospaced
- mono you just have small very small view of things.if you only had any experience in our medicare va social system you might change your tone********
- but your world view is so limitedly small and constrained to world beliefs that make you more comfortable.********
- if you could realize or accept it you wouldn't be such the sad demo u fit. how much envy drives you? should you hast tag the envy for social?********