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- Ramanisky20
Hmmmmm. Seems totally legal.
- I don't see anything here. What am I missing?monospaced
- He gave internal polling data to the Russians, and pointed to the important states. What was he expecting the Russians to do with this info?mathinc
- I wonder if Manafort used this data:
https://pbs.twimg.co…Gnash - ^ shhh.. Adults are talking.mathinc
- honestly, people losing their minds at the idea of russia influencing an election. newsflash, they've tried to every single one since ww1.Gnash
- move on people.Gnash
- They did influence the election. That has been established.monospaced
- Gnash, maybe you're having problem understanding the issue: The campaign 1. helped RU in those efforts, and 2. Amplified the efforts.mathinc
- What other reason can you provide for giving polling data and pointing to the battleground states other than aid?mathinc
- Then you see Russian bots targeting social media with lies, and Trump inner circle sharing those posts.mathinc
- Totally legal, and totally cool.mathinc
- so what? exact same marketing tools are used by every party in every election. you think other parties don't lie in advertising?Gnash
- or use social media in a not-so-cool way? move onGnash
- 'you think any candidate, regardless of party, would have said "no" to a hard-drive full of dirt on the other guys?Gnash
- You're trying awfully hard to shove your head in the sand.mathinc
- trump's a moron and he handled this like the collosaal dope that he is. Hill's would have done the same thing but would have been way smarter about it.Gnash
- There's still a very hard line between 'would have', and 'actually have' done. You cannot treat them with the same amount of guilt.T-Dawg
- word up, mathincBonSeff
- the exploitation of information detrimental to one's adversary is not illegal. the info wasn't made-up or false.Gnash
- Sorry, *we* cannot treat them.T-Dawg
- guilt about what, exactly? if the info came from the Canadians instead of the Russians, it would have been ok?Gnash
- Is anyone actually trying to suggest that the Dem's would have taken the high road and not used the info?? Who's head is in the sand here?Gnash
- They gave information to a hostile foreign gov to help them influence our election, and then amplified those actions. That's worlds apart from 'using dirt'.mathinc
- Nope, it wouldn't be ok. I'm just commenting on the 'But Hillary (or other parties...)' would do the same' argument.T-Dawg
- I honestly don't even know how else to say it. Like talking to my 4 year olds...mathinc
- @math you mean the same data any party gives to anybody on any marketing team? data that's available to pretty much anybody?Gnash
- All the arguing on QBN during the Bush/Obama years is what actually got me interested in politics, so there's some merit to all this ;)T-Dawg
- lol. you're right about that, TGnash
- Gnash, if polling data was sitting there like a sandwich on a park bench then why have Gates send it to them, then delete his messages?mathinc
- Why'd Mueller even bring it up if it's as common as a grain of sand on a beach? Or a flea on a stray dog in Spain.. I can go on...mathinc
- i guess they deleted the messages because they knew it would look really, really stupid if people found out.Gnash
- I mean, you'd have to be a complete idiot to ask Russia for help in a US election.Gnash
- yeah, that's the pointmonospaced
- The point that he's an idiot was well established long ago. That wasn't what they were investigating. It's not illegal to be a dope.Gnash
- sure ... but it does make his supporters look like total asshats for voting in and accepting the shennanigans of a fucking idiotmonospaced
- I feel like the US of the past would never have allowed a person like him to be president, or tolerated his continued degradation of the nation's integritymonospaced
- and now we're reduced to looking for actual prison crimes as the basis for impeachment, when before it was enough to be an asshatmonospaced