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Trump administration asks court to completely invalidate Obama’s Affordable Care Act
- this should work well for them in next year's electionaliastime
- it didn't work that well for anyone two years agomonospaced
- Yeah seriously what are they thinking here?yuekit
- I doubt they have a replacement this round. They've been quite busy.monospaced
- ideally they should revoke it and have no placement except a plan to cut gov spending in all related healthcare. medcare/medicaid/ss/ subsidies********
- a very important data point that all free healthcare ppl miss is the hockey stick cost of care once gov gets involved. which makes absolute sense to ppl********
- to ppl who advocate free markets and less gov. because its RATIONALLY stupid to blindly think legislation controls humans.********
- or by dictating law to a certain end means it will happen, no matter the good feelings and vibes you get from it.********
- the real market problem we suffer from is siphoning tax dollars to increase prices outside a healthy market. the system has long been rigged to find value********
- in the gov/insurance systems that pay the most. which hurts consumers.The gov and insurance distort true market discovery pricing. And the lobbyists know this********
- and sell it. Politicians are mostly morons/leeches who cant be successful in private arena. And they gladly push anythign that might guarantee them a paycheck********
- no different than kissing bosses ass taco bell, we all have bills. just remember they are more than likely less qualified than the person making you a burger********
- i guess it makes sense that the anti free market people cant comprehend what they have received. You can hold hands and rationally explain it but they dont want********
- answer and its simple as that. same as explaining to a christian fiery chariots didnt happen, or any other hole in a emotionally driven belief system.********
- logic and history has little effect when people have already decided. Its sad so many have yet to rise from 10,000 bc********
- lolmonospaced
- Ah, so the solution is to do nothing and put your head in the sand, handing all the power over to those that only care about profits. Right?formed
- Sounds like you (db) are advocating just giving up on healthcare for America and a better nation and just letting it all get worse and worse.formed
- The only thing we are 100% sure of and that's corporations do nothing positive for people and only act to benefit their shareholders.formed
- The genius of deathboy is that he mixes your standard right-libertarianism with an exterminationist viewpoint. So if you point out that people might die basedyuekit
- repealing some law or regulation (as would be the case with ACA since it bans the concept of "preexisting conditions"), this can't necessarily be characterizedyuekit
- as good or bad. Just another detail to look at.yuekit
- what i would do is get rid of tax incentives that support insurance. junk medicare, get rid of every rule that favors third part market desicions********
- is their a difference between a politician looking to progress career or a medical ceo? they are both looking out for number one, politicians usually more********
- envious of private sector wealth too. formed lets say you see a large amount of capital in elderly care through unlimited fed funds. do you look for ways to********
- maximize profits offering "new" expensive tech or catering to the non paying customers real expectations?********
- The carrot has been created by the gov first, and the market reacts in self interests. Look at healthcare pre FDR and pre gov incentives and you begin to see********
- a bigger picture than "well its too damn expensive and no one can afford it so everyone pays" outlook.********
- @yuekit. When have i ever tried to throw out the people are gonna die like elizabeth warren arguement?********
- https://www.youtube.…********
- Because I have been ridiculed by my handle for advocating that I don't mind if people die. I realize diminishing returns and expenses to go 100% on any issue********
- another problem with healthcare is its tax status. this changes it behavior and the way it operates. tell me a hospital doesnt care about its profitability********
- or operations? if you believe that you are a simp. Check out oklahoma surgery center for tons of info on real pricing********
- they have soem nice pieces on cost of appendectomy. a surgery that hasn;t change much from 600 dollar cost to 30-200K********
- and how hospitals playing by the gov rules have gamed to maximize profits. like not collecting 200K for the surgery and writing off the amount for federal funds********
- the truth is its really complex and not many people are informed, and they choose to believe what makes them feel better********
- @yuekit ... ha nevermind. you are saying if people might die i do ignore that and look at the bigger picture... genius.. i think common sense********
- absolutely correct. reminds me too of a bar conversation with a guy who who was researching some medical condition to get a person to continue to live********
- he thought he was doing a great service. and i brought up the point is it a great service that now to live they need this medical expense, and genetically will********
- pass on the illness creating more costly expenses. drunk guy sad about girls, and so proud of work never actually looked at wether what he was doign was good********
- big picture stuff. take diabetics. with medicine they can live normally but more than likely will pass on disease increasing need for care.********
- surprisingly in this case a larger supply would create more of a market, but fda and regs, and we find large cost increases.********
- long picture if we keep finding cures at unsustainable costs for health issues that allow the passing of same genes we are working backwards in evolution********
- and if that is silly to think about, well I just think vision is limited by comprehension or stubbornness********
- lolmonospaced
- lolbogue
- what no good rational retort? i guess i can assume you agree than********
- lol isn't much of a reasonable retort. all it does is leave me to assume you have none and as much show my point as correct. like a jock in debate********
- you know what happens when you assume, right? FUCKING LOLmonospaced
- lol ISN'T a retort, VERY GOOD! SO proud of you, captain obvious. You know what it is? It's me laughing at your incoherent rants, AGAIN. With the crew. OUT LOUD.monospaced
- LOLmonospaced
- so it me validating your nonsense which is what you seek. that's pathetic. and sad. at least you probably will never have the intelligence to suffer for your********
- shortcomings.********
- however i would prefer you had the common decency not to "troll" or look for attention and leave the conversations to the ppl having them.********
- that is common courtesy in my culture. Might scare away real dialogue with people like ukit that actually can back views********
- LOL!!! The whole office is gonna laugh so hard at your ass. Do you ever read back your own comments? Hilarious. Enjoy your marginal life.monospaced
- Also, my comment was 100% on topic and relevant and as much a part of a backed up discussion as any drivel you shit out. You’re so triggered it’s hilarious.monospaced
- And you’re a troll.monospaced
- haha be careful with who you share it with. What you find amusing might end up being more condemning.********
- as far as your only comment being the invalidation of obamacare 2 years ago. do you not remember justice roberts reason to back it and what he said? the whole********
- enchilada basically. I'd fill you in but lets see if you have a clue which makes your only comment seem ... well silly... hell pull a lifeline from yur crew/fam********
- and the only thing i troll is truth. i get no pleasure in correcting people. I am curious person and like to see the paths people take to get to ideas. And idea********
- s and and I take it as study and learning to better myself. always challenge pre conceptions or indoctrinated culture. im more about philosophy and living well********
- with a cynic leaning. and i dont even have to say my reason, but i do anyways. i think its pretty tough to honestly call me a troll with any evidence********
- but you. you are "trolling" more. And i don't think its your fault. It's you copying media, news outlets and culture projected.********
- trump has not helped culturally in defining a reasonable stance. its just make shit up and stand by it. and I cant help but think your style of posts are copy********
- ing it more. You use to have some half baked nonsense, but recently switched to 100% deflection, LOL, and now introducing the "group" fallacy idea********
- which is trump style thing of saying like hey this is this and because i know me and all these people say its so. follow the leader stuff. herd mentality********
- i would really back track and check premises and maybe question your motives. but definitely seeing a change********
- AND see thats why i do this! Working out you issues made realize a point I don't recall Postman touching on in media cutlure********
- mimicking. or like resonance with trends in designs. but mimicking how people see and judge and reason culturally... something there to think about. new window.********
- not really for you just talking out loud as its my process. words help shape. does monkee see monkee do really work when it comes to reason?********
- trump successful tactics now being emulated by others. despite obvious blow hardage. even by no bodies...********
- is it a product of the education system, in that only right answer is the the one decides at the front of the classroom. the educated liberals who are 100k in********
- debt but have only learned to follow for there indentured servitude, are now following the signals of the current flavor of the 4 year week.********
- edu, human nature, one random design forum person, or something more. the idea to digress in rational scope questions so much********
- was it there to begin with or was it just following a choreographed dance from edu or other society herd knowledge. have to mull this over for a bit********
- lol goldmonospaced
- I didn’t even read what you wrotemonospaced
- gold, but didnt read... you do realize you just lied to yourself. one cant know if its gold until they read. and emphasis on self********
- your irrational bravado only goes so far with certain types. Heres my hypothesis, you read, have no grounds to ability to challenge what i said********
- chose the trump style defense of choosing a stupid statement that seems belittling and following it up with a lie that makes no sense.********
- can you keep this lie up? Maybe it will be good. your kid sees his dads such a shit show and better himself. a reverse dynamic from the kids of successful paren********
- ts. adversity is one of the best teachers, but always sad to see.********
- or man up. take stance to an argument and provide alternative rationale. can overlook all the other shortcomings and focus on topic********
- a graceful out... on headline alone is it conceivable? and on article alone is there not ground and why? so there's your invite to the adult table********
- and to anyone else. this is why you engage trolls. its not about feeding them as correcting them. trolls like emotion (hence stating im upset with no evidence)********
- ignoring they fester. Challenging and educating and it will do better to fix the problem. There will always be low self esteem people looking to try and push********
- down others, but tolarence and explanation and walking people through their hangups is better for the whole than writing off as lepers. and not as only as chari********
- ty aspect but a responsibility in order to maintain western traditional freedoms. anything else is lazy********