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Mitch McConnell going to call for the senate to vote on the “Green New Deal. smart move
- make them own it... (which they won't)... many will run from this to avoid embarrassmentPonyBoy
- when you bring your toys to the big-kid sandboxGnash
- I wonder why AOC isn't thrilled about thisGnash
- Ah yes the grown up party...which pretends climate change is not happening at all.yuekit
- why would they run? it has no chance of passing the senate. it's just a farcical display by turtle guy.dorf
- i said, big kid, not grown-up.Gnash
- Either way cheering on the party that proposes to do absolutely nothing to fix an urgent global environmental crisis is a bit odd.yuekit
- no amount of stupid by the pubs will make green deal good. A moron is still a moron regardless of the moron sitting next to him.Gnash
- I think it has been badly misreported, particularly I'm sure by Fox and other conservative media. Most people don't seem to be aware for instance that theyuekit
- "Green New Deal" is NOT actually a piece of legislation that if passed, would put in place specific policies. It's simply a high level outline describingyuekit
- how the country could transition to renewable energy. It would be very expensive to do that of course, but scientists are also saying we haveyuekit
- about a decade to avoid the worst case scenario (and getting progressively worse after that). So who is actually a moron here? The people who at least putyuekit
- forward the beginning of a plan that matches the scale of the problem, or the people who claim the whole thing is a hoax invented by China? lol.yuekit
- you can have a plan that's not cuckoo. we have our own version here: https://leapmanifest…Gnash
- we need to shift to 100% renewable democratic energy, but putting forward a silly plan will NOT start a dialogue that MUST happen firstGnash
- at least The Leap (unfortunate name) posits it in a way that isn't so easily ridiculedGnash
- Actually that reads very similar to the Green New Deal to me.yuekit
- If there's a criticism to be had, I'm not sure I buy all this democracy and helping marginalized communities stuff. Just solve the problem FFS. However I thinkyuekit
- what these plans both get right is that it will be politically much easier to invest a lot of money to upgrade energy systems...than it would be to tryyuekit
- to dramatically restrict economic activity with carbon taxes etc.yuekit
- it only reads similarly in it's general intent. One can criticize it, but it's not presented in a way that is so easy to ridicule and dismissGnash
- and I agree 100% about investment vs taxes. Gov't just has to spend the money. period.Gnash
- also agree about the marginalized narrative. It's was added later in response to the general ideological climate here. it's a distraction and hurts it's focusGnash
- FYI here is the actual text of the "Green New Deal"
https://bit.ly/2E0Uk…yuekit - As you can see, it's really just a very brief, high level summary of what should happen. Very similar to the link you posted.yuekit
- And honestly, I'm not sure what is in there that is so bad or ridiculous. I guess you can take issue with them attempting to tack on left-wing policy goals intoyuekit
- an environmental agenda as I mentioned above. But those policies themselves are not so horrible, and the GND itself is not actual legislation anyway.yuekit
- Instead what this suggests to me is how badly U.S. right wing media can distort issues and misinform people. In this case with very serious, dire consequences.yuekit
- Oil industry money and politicians like Mitch McConnell have essentially convinced the entire conservative voter base that climate change isyuekit
- a fake issue made up by crazy liberals, possibly making action on this issue impossible. , That is a very negative development not just for the U.S. but for theyuekit
- entire world. Personally I have a hard time cheering that on or calling it "smart."yuekit
- so yuekit you dont think the GND anything different than FDR running on any bullshit he can? even id think you have no reason to try to argue its bunk as fuck********
- on face value outside economics i guess it meets the high hopes, but rationally it falls apart. as far climate change goes are you familiar with our rotational********
- eccentricities or even asked if those are part of the popular data sets which are chosen for some articles.********
- What is the margin of difference measured per year for humans vs the our changing trajectory from the sun? being that it is dynamic what is the projected margin********
- of climate change we should perceive each year as orbit changes? Also how does that effect our idea of controling climate change when we cant alter orbit...********
- so few even those involved know shit about cliamte change. look at history of prediction for proof. its all political power********
- You know, you can "poke holes" in any complicated topic from a position of total ignorance. Same as with Flat Earth, if you search enough you will find videosyuekit
- giving very technical, convincing sounding (to a non scientist) explanations about why modern physics is completely wrong is the earth is flat.yuekit
- On many other issues we are willing to defer to experts and accept their judgement, but when it comes to climate change suddenly every conservativeyuekit
- is an expert and goes against the overwhelming consensus. Don't you find that a bit strange?yuekit
- Could it have something to do with the fact that the conservative movement is deeply reliant on funding from the oil industry? For that matter, Reason which Iyuekit
- know you are a fan of, directly funded by the largest private oil company in the country.yuekit
- Sorry I just find this hard to take seriously in terms of it being a government plot when there are actual proven conflicts of interest and corruption on theyuekit
- other side. If the opposite was true --i.e. if research saying climate change was a threat was all funded by Tesla for instance -- would that not be a slightyuekit
- red flag?yuekit