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robotron3k, what's actually wrong with socialism?
- You can vote your way into it, but you have to shoot your way out of it...robotron3k
- If someone has a good example of a Socialist culturally diverse country with a population of over 300 mil, feel free to post. Baby-sized countries don't count.robotron3k
- I think a better start to this conversation would be defining socialism, agreeing on a definition or context, and then moving forward.T-Dawg
- Because socialism and social programs are completely different things and are often purposefully misrepresented in order to sway public opinion.T-Dawg
- You Americans really need to crack open a political science text book, and read about how things like socialism and social democracy are defined ...Continuity
- ... and then finally comprehend that many people on the left in your country want social democracy, not outright socialism.Continuity
- And I'll give you a hint: social democracy is what NATO countries like Denmark and Germany practise, and looks nothing like, say, Venezuela.Continuity
- Like Canada, Denmark, Finland and the Netherlands.
All shithole countries, Robo?nbq - he said over 300 mill. citizens, nbq... and he didn't say a word about 'shithole' countries. Canada has just over a 10th our population—the rest don't compare.PonyBoy
- ... and robo also said 'culturally diverse'... the four countries you listed are at minimum 75% white and pasty.PonyBoy
- Oh, I see. The US shouldn't be a social democracy because it's not an aribtrary minimum percentage of lilly white people. Got it.Continuity
- Who the fuck said anything about any 'arbitrary minimum'? He asked for examples of culturally diverse countries over 300 mill that are socialist...PonyBoy
- ... and none of you can't simply answer 'none' w/out being facetious pricks. Robo has a point and nobody is willing to approach w/sense... bummer.PonyBoy
- The only point I see being made goes along the lines of 'we don't want this country to progress because it's not white'.Continuity
- Nobody said that but you, continuity... you're making shit up instead of answering robo's simple Q. The answer to his Q is 'none'.PonyBoy
- Pony, the question he asked is flawed. Deal with it.mathinc
- It is not flawed, Tommy... Demographics most certainly will come into play in any country that redistributes someone else's property.PonyBoy
- It's part of the discussion... just as much as 'defining' the diff. between actual socialism and social democracy is part of the discussion.PonyBoy
- Nobody, eh? So why bring up 'culturally diverse' in the first place, then? Pray, tell me what race and culture have to do with 'socialism'. Go on.Continuity
- Instead of answering his Q and making it part of the conversation some of you clowns are redirecting the tone toward race and that alone.PonyBoy
- robo has absolutely no point at all because nobody at all is pushing for a socialist America. That is as fictional as a Mexican border wall.monospaced
- Race is all this country dwells on lately, Continuity... right down to Will Smith not being black enough. ;) If you think for one second it's not going...PonyBoy
- ... jammed down your throat by the media / politicians as this discussion / debate moves forward then you're not living in reality.PonyBoy
- Socialist programs make perfect sense for a large, culturally and economically diverse nation. It’s essential to have some of those, like we’ve had for centuriemonospaced
- And let's be clear... he also mentioned population. I see each and every one of you jumping over that and hopping on race... proving my point.PonyBoy
- Socialist programs are definitely needed... I can't argue that. What I can argue is how they're paid for and whether they're controlled locally vs. nationally.PonyBoy
- Social programs people! lol, 'socialist programs' add to the confusion and are not the correct term.T-Dawg
- Tythe to the tax exempt church!BonSeff
- OR BURN IN HELLBonSeff
- GOP's version of socialismBonSeff
- Can we just step back a second? There is nobody pushing for a socialist America and that’s why freedom is asking why robo is so bothered by it. It’s not real.monospaced
- my bad, T-Dawg (you're right on the terminology... I was retyping mono's words... way to go, mono!!) :PPonyBoy
- Programs that seem socialist are necessary. Not even close to a socialist nation. Conservatives are fabricating something to be triggered by.monospaced
- mono, all this shit is framed around healthcare.. i.e. the insurance middleman scamBonSeff
- You really want the Gov running your healthcare, Bon? Been to the DMV lately? Or anything Gov-run / oriented? They're fucking hell hole operations.PonyBoy
- They run a tight ship bombing brown peopleBonSeff
- and yea, got my license renewed recently, in and out. although dmv is state run. found out my right eye is near sighted.BonSeff
- Where's your DMV and what State are you in? cuz I might have to move there. And, um-sorry about all your brown friends being bombed (whatever that was about)PonyBoy
- Things TMZ doesn't cover.BonSeff
- Ah... your other fav network then...Nickelodeon.PonyBoy
- actually, disney jr. not my fav but its all thats on in this house.BonSeff
- actually, disney jr. not my fav but its all thats on in this house.BonSeff
- "Because socialism and social programs are completely different things and are often purposefully misrepresented in order to sway public opinion."inteliboy
- ^ this. defeating to see so many fall for it.inteliboy
- disney jr?! you know old walt was a racist, right?
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*runsPonyBoy - dont get me started on the dystopian paw patrol police stateBonSeff
- Uhhh. NOBODY is saying let government “run” healthcare like the dmv. It’s only about the way it’s subsidized and covered ffs.monospaced
- Pony, I know this was 39 posts back. But redistributing $ is happening, but in reverse. Look at any data set concerning income inequality.mathinc
- Why is Plutocracy a more palatable choice than a Social Democracy?mathinc
- Is it to society's benefit that someone like Bezos has more than he could ever spend, while half a million people with go bankrupt for medical bills?mathinc
- Bezos is irrelevant. The problem is more with Amazon not paying taxes and the wealthiest getting handouts, while everyone else pays.formed
- That's the other part of it, definitely. Pony was talking about redistribution of wealth.mathinc
- i think Boris Yeltsin summed it up when he saw a grocery store in the US. "When I saw those shelves crammed with hundreds, thousands of cans, cartons and goods********
- of every possible sort, for the first time I felt quite frankly sick with with despair for the Soviet people,"********
- plus we have a shit ton of "socialist" programs in the US. Have any fixed the problems? And look at the baby step growths and costs********
- Our socialist programs have been the biggest program growth as percentage of gdp federally and on state levels********
- yet they have done little to alleviate original objectives. they have also driven costs higher for non program users********
- they have mostly benefited the rich people pushing them or people with interests in them.********
- lets talk about that. no imaginary shit, but real effective collective gov programs that are a success********
- in the us right now. medicare? SS, the pension system? SNAP? HIgher edu funding? Public school funding?********
- Im not sure I can honestly think of one success story********