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@yuekit, you said...
— A great example would be Dave Rubin's recent comment (while interviewing a far-right, anti-immigrant Canadian politician) that because the left is so terrible, he can't blame people if they embrace actual ethnonationalism.
I assume this is the interview with Maxime Bernier? Who isn’t a far right politician or anti-immigration. So why would you say he is? He’s a conservative who wants an open discourse about immigration policies.
I asked for an example of your claim that the IDW is normalising far right views. What you’ve given isn’t that. If you want to have a discussion about the dangers of polarising political views and the absence of a forum where these views can aired, without knee jerk reaction and left or right leaning toddlers chucking their toys out of the pram, then maybe here is as good a place as any. I’m ready when you are, sincerely.
— That is a completely absurd view, but it perfectly captures the skewed framing that goes on with many of these guys -- painting the left in the harshest terms possible, while giving a sympathetic platform to extremes on the other side.
It’s not absurd. Considering the destruction of the centre ground and both left and right leaning organisations and individuals doing their utmost to paint their opposition as extremist, it is a fair point. If there is no centre and the only other places are the far right (as suggested by the left) or Communism (as suggested by the right) what are voters meant to do? The moment they get pissed off with their traditional political alligences being portrayed as super crazy vegetable soup it IS understandable to look for answers elsewhere and if the only places to seek solace are harbouring extreme ideas then the choice seems to be made for them.
This is not just a problem for the left or the right, it’s the whole political landscape that’s under attack from incredibly destructive identity politics. I heard Eric Weinstein the other day talking about how ‘identity’ is a financially cheaper and polarising way to win votes rather than traditional ‘labour’ focussed policies. He might be right.
- re "normalizing" i shuddered at that earlier. largely these IDW people are uneasy about calling themselves Liberals. Now reflexively "Classic Liberals".MrAbominable
- Hmmm I guess we're not going to agree on this. The idea that the ENTIRE left is so extreme that your only choice is between communists and Nazis does seemyuekit
- quite absurd and silly to me.yuekit
- It's easy to lose track of the actual numbers when you are focused on the latest outrage. But in reality, there is barely a majority of Democrats that evenyuekit
- identify as liberal in the U.S. So the idea that they are all commies seems a bit ridiculous, to say the least.yuekit
- Can you not see that in painting Maxime Bernier, a sitting MP in the Canadian parliament, as far right you are instrumental in perpetuating the problem...Morning_star
- ...you are complaining about.Morning_star
- I think you have made it pretty clear where your sympathies life. He's not "anti immigration" he's a "conservative who wants an open discourse about immigrationyuekit
- policies." Same as Trump and Le Pen I guess -- they just want an open discourse? lol.yuekit
- Meanwhile the left is all "neo communists." Honestly, look in the mirror before accusing others of being biased.yuekit
- https://www.thestar.…yuekit
- Ask yourself why you are so eager to defend someone like that, while assuming the worst about the left. The far left is not sweeping to power across the worldyuekit
- as right wing authoritarians are. I have trouble seeing them as the bigger threat.yuekit
- go yuekit +1fadein11
- I have asked myself why i think it's necessary to hear what people say rather than judge them on a false perception. This is the second time you've tried to...Morning_star
- ...imply that i have far right opinions and you couldn't be farther from the truth. You won't engage in discussion but choose to hide behind a self generated...Morning_star
- ...smoke screen of false comparison and lies. You are exactly the the reason why people have such a shitty perception of the left.
Also, that Star article...Morning_star - ...supports the conclusion i came to about Bernier. He's a conservative who wants a discussion about immigration. The article even claims this is just his way..Morning_star
- ...of appealing to those rejecting Canada's SJ obsession, A vote winner if you like.Morning_star
- Do you honestly think Trump and Le Pen are the same ?Morning_star
- I think it's fair to say that Trump, Le Pen and this guy in Canada all attract a far right audience. Sorry if this is an unpopularyuekit
- Don’t be sorry. That’s a fair analysis of the situation.Morning_star