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Just to give you some background...I went to Obama's announcement that he would run in 2007, and went door to door in early 2008 to convince primary voters that Hillary could not win and that Obama could, and moreover, that she was a poor choice if we ever wanted to see actual progressive governance. I felt that she would be forever tainted by her Iraq vote, among many others.
So, in 2016, I was not thrilled that she won the nomination, even though the primary season had her tacking further to the left. I was mostly concerned that she is not genuine; that, like Gore, she was too programmed and more like a weather vane. I doubted her ability to inspire anything close to what Obama did. Don't get me wrong, I thought she would win...I thought Trump was the perfect candidate for her to run against, although as the election grew closer, I was worried about her inability to say anything about Trump's sleazier side, given her husband's issues.
Now, of course, although Trump is coming close to destroying the Republic, we're at least seeing a Democratic party ready to reclaim its pro-worker past and work toward what most polls say is a progressive-friendly electorate. Because of that, I'm heartened by the range of choices available to take on Trump and/or Pence in 2020. It will go the way these things always do...the field will be quickly winnowed, with several dropping out before the primaries even begin. I don't fear a centrist vs progressive split...I think this will sort itself out through the primaries, as it always does. I should think that the Dems' experience with Kerry in 2004...and Gore and HRC in their won-the-popular-vote elections...will show them that the nominee must be 1. Genuine, and 2. Inspiring in order to win. I personally believe that the biggest mistake besides failing to heed that would be to nominate a longtime creature of Washington, as it plays into Trump's narrative of draining the swamp...I know he's the swampiest ever, but the alternate reality thing means he'll just hammer someone like Biden. And for that matter, someone like Bernie. I think the Dems would do well to forget about someone who is "experienced," and nominate someone new, as Obama was. He was ready to lead, no matter what else you might think of him.
- +1monospaced
- Right now I don't see it happening, the Dems are split hard down the middle, 1/2 will want a person of color, 1/2 will want a white male... can't win that way.robotron3k
- none of them want trumpmonospaced
- many Republicans are ditching him too ... and let's not forget most of the country STILL doesn't support him eithermonospaced
- Feel exactly the same.mathinc
- Robo thinks dems won't vote for a candidate cause they're not the right color. I'd vote for a carrot stick at this point.mathinc
- Watch how Trump changes the Republic permanently in about 10 days... He will be draining the swamp like you've never seen...robotron3k
- he hasn't drained any swamp, robo, he's only filling itmonospaced