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@BonSelf
Why?
The briefest of checks shows a tweet in the last few hours from Shapiro denouncing this racist prick. Your assumption of guilt by association is just plain lazy.
- why was he there in the first place? this "denouncing" thing is pretty stupid in my view. he seems happy in the picture.renderedred
- the briefest of checks could've told shapiro NOT to hug it out with that guy ;)renderedred
- Actually Shapiro wrote several articles defending him, saying the left made up him being racist etc...when it was obviousyuekit
- ^ even better LOLrenderedred
- https://www.dailywir…yuekit
- This racist prick has always been a racist prick. This isn't breaking news.BonSeff
- It is to me. I’m not in the US so his political ideals are new to me. What is troubling is that a majority of his state must have voted for him.Morning_star
- @yuekit. could you point to an article in which Shapiro defends him because in that one you posted he doesn’t.Morning_star
- But you are quick to pile on me and defend these jackasses.BonSeff
- I’ve never defended Shapiro. He comes across as a winery entitle arse.Morning_star
- Reread your post! Jesus Christ.BonSeff
- Morning_star the entire article I posted is him defending Steve King. Maybe try reading instead of just Googling and skimming things.yuekit
- He only posted the update at the top once it became completely untenable to defend him anymore.yuekit
- @yuekit. 'several articles'... I have read, very carefully, the article. He doesn't defend King he merely offers a more charitable interpretation of his..Morning_star
- ...uterrences. He has updated the article today with an statement agreeing that the guys a racist fuck. So where are the articles defending Kings racism?Morning_star
- @ BonSelf. I f you want to call that a defence so-be-it. All i did was a quick search on the article and found a very recent tweet denouncing his...Morning_star
- ...interpretation as you must have too, but decided to ignore.Morning_star
- What I said is that Shapiro repeatedly defended Steve King against charges of racism, when it was obvious the whole time that he actually is a virulent racist.yuekit
- He's been using the same rhetoric and buzzwords as white nationalists for quite a while now.yuekit
- If you don't see how that's a problem fair enough, but the whole "he didn't say exactly that" schtick isn't that convincing.yuekit
- I guess Shapiro has a lot of practice pretending people aren't racist considering he used to work for Steve Bannon.yuekit
- yea, I absolutely chose to ignore. He is backpedaling hard. Now throwing King under the bus because it no longer suits his grift.BonSeff
- @Yuekit & BonSelf. We could go round the houses here forever doing the 'he said, she said' bullshit, which is why, where possible i've tried to focus on the...Morning_star
- ...ideas being promoted and not the characters that promote them. If you want to criticise the ideas we can have a productive conversation. It just seems...Morning_star
- @BonSelf. Agreed. He is a 'backpedlar' extraordinaire. FWIW i don't like the dick, at all.Morning_star
- Wasn't race (and Marxism, or something) one of the ideas you wanted to discuss originally?yuekit
- Not really interested in discussing race. There is more diversity within racial grouping than between them. And so discussing differences is largely..Morning_star
- ...unproductive. If you want to chuck an idea out there i'd gladly discuss what ever you want.Morning_star
- Not sure why it's off limits to talk about the people involved in this movement given that a lot of time they are expressing their views and influencing people.yuekit
- If they are arguing in bad faith or acting as apologists for far right then surely that's worth noting.yuekit
- agreed, yuekit.BonSeff
- Once this administration collapses on itself, a lot of people are going to have a trail of regrettable positions. I hope they never recover from it either.BonSeff
- It's not off limits to talk about the people, it's just not helpful because the diversity of opinion within the IDW is huge. And as this thread is about the...Morning_star
- ...the IDW i thought to discuss the ideas would be more productive. I'm not a fan of talking about the people because, as we've just seen with Shapiro, you...Morning_star
- ..imply that if you stand next to a person in a picture you must necessarily share their ideologies. Also, taking snippets and soundbites out of context just...Morning_star
- ...leads to bickering and subjective judgements about what the person 'actually' means. As they aren't here to defend themselves it seems that...Morning_star
- ...the ideas are a far better target for discussion. It also means that we eject some of the media manipulations and personal bias.Morning_star
- hard to separate the free exchange of ideas from the personas.BonSeff
- People like Shapiro and Rubin spend all day attacking their "enemies" (i.e., Democrats and the left) on social media. Seems like fair game to me.yuekit
- @yeukit. If you look at Rubins YouTube channel and the content your claim about him attacking 'demoncrats' and the left is just not accurate. The fact that...Morning_star
- ...the iDW spans both left and right idealogies is testament to that. You seem to have this compulsion to simplify the issue to left vs right. It's puzzling.Morning_star
- I'm amazed that anyone could watch Rubin's show and not pick up on the fact that it promotes conservatism. Why do think it's funded by Republican donors?yuekit
- Or just read his Twitter feed. It's almost all criticizing one side.yuekit
- He's gay, he's married, he describes himself as Libertarian. His guests are an incredibly broad mix subject specialists. His last 20 tweets show no promotion...Morning_star
- ...of the right. He is measured in his opinion and interview style. Lets assume that your observations are not inaccurate (which they are)...so what? Why is...Morning_star
- ...it a problem if he promotes views from the right as well as views from the left. Can you describe why that is a problem?Morning_star
- I dunno, to me the show seems to exist to convert people to a conservative viewpoint. Which would explain the partnership with conservatives like Dennis Prageryuekit
- who is basically a George Bush style religious conservative, and the Koch brothers who are the biggest Republican donors.yuekit
- Sure they have people "from the left" on but it's mostly in the context of critiquing the left, whereas far right and even alt right guys like Stefan Molyneuxyuekit
- goes largely unchallenged. Of course if he wants to be conservative that's fine. What a lot of people find problematic is the dishonest framing of him being ayuekit
- centrist or even a liberal.yuekit
- @ Yuekiu. hope you don;t mind but I'm gonna reply to you in the thread as this sidebar discussion limits content.Morning_star