Intellectual Dark Web
Intellectual Dark Web
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Sam Harris Podcast
No.145 - The Information WarSam Harris speaks with Renée DiResta about Russia’s “Internet Research Agency” and its efforts to amplify conspiracy thinking and partisan conflict in the United States.
https://samharris.org/podcasts/1…
The podcast frames what is sure to be a very difficult discussion of what the fuck do we do about the exploitation of news and social media channels. How much manipulation we are prepared to tolerate and ultimately, what is freedom of speech.
With Sam Harris and now Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin having left Patreon due to inhibited freedoms, censorship issues and political bias, it seems to me that the very structure of how we interact as humans and who can we ultimately trust is under scrutiny.
Are you sure they're you friends?
- Trust no-one.
Kill the rest.PhanLo - Is the 'Lo' part of your name short for 'Lonely'? ;)Morning_star
- You r listening to a podcast about intellectual bubbles while being in the bubble. Fascinating.pr2
- @pr2 I'd invite you to, perhaps, listen to the podcast before broadcasting your laser like analysis. I wouldn't want to look ignorant and foolish.Morning_star
- And i invite you to broaden your horizon. By listening to all those same folks - you are reinforcing your bubble because they all present...pr2
- ...similar view of reality (more or less).pr2
- Clearly the very structure of how we interact as humans is now under threat because... uh... three guys left a website.yuekit
- Do you not understand how some people start to see this gang as a bit tedious and self-important when even their fans are penning lines like that?yuekit
- +pr2Salarrue
- @pr2 you are mistaken if you think that I don’t have a broad diet of opinion, from every perspective. This is one particular category of perspective that I...Morning_star
- ... is largely prejudged and dismissed without interrogation. I think this group have something valuable to say, however difficult it might be to hear.Morning_star
- @yeukit. Keep on attacking the people if you want. In doing so you completely miss the idea.Morning_star
- Sorry but aren't you the one who framed them leaving Patreon (which let's be honest, no one is going to remember a month from now) as some kind of watershed?yuekit
- No, not watershed by any stretch of the imagination. How about listening to the podcast? you may then understand the broader point about censorship and the...Morning_star
- ...freedom of speech issues when Patreon is told by MasterCard which creators it should ban. If it doesn’t bother you then..Morning_star
- ...cool carry on with the attacks on the men and not the ideas. You’re talking but saying nothing.Morning_star
- haha cmon there is nothing so difficult to grasp here. Sure it's a nuanced issue around online speech and who is permitted on which platform. At the same time Iyuekit
- think Jordan Peterson will find himself in a bind if he really tries to start his own version of Patreon. When you consider that past attempts to start "freeyuekit
- speech" alternatives such as Gab and Voat quickly degenerated into homes for the far right and white nationalists.yuekit
- Does he want that association? Or is he willing to engage in his own censorship to some degree? If the answer is yes, then its hard to completely fault Patreon.yuekit
- I'd rather listen to ALL voices, however repugnant, than the few voices that are deemed appropriate by a profit driven financial institution. C'mon, the...Morning_star
- ...hypocrisy alone is something noteable. FWIW the podcast is illuminating, particularly in terms of the depth of the manipulation Russia had in the last US...Morning_star
- ...election. It's well worth an hour if you have one.Morning_star
- So do you then prefer Gab to Twitter and Voat to Reddit? Have you looked at those sites? I'm just speaking to the reality of what happens when you advertiseyuekit
- setting up a site that will never censor anything. It's gonna become a haven for Nazis, just due to the nature of online discourse right now.yuekit
- Do you understand how much the US is manipulating other elections? The Russian manipulation is a trickle in comparison to the flood gate bursting open.pr2
- And 'no' it really doesn't seem that you have a broad appetite. You seem to be preoccupied with a limited range of the "usual suspects."pr2
- With this limited appetite you yourself (not the machine of the system) close you off in a thought bubble you so desperately are trying to burst open.pr2
- (Nothing against you specifically as MANY people are doing just that nowadays.)pr2
- @pr2 . The title of this thread is 'Intellectual Dark Web' and that is what i try to discuss here. Apologies if that limits the discussion. You're free to..Morning_star
- ...start any number of threads about any subject you like. I'd gladly contribute if you were ever to bring an idea to discuss.Morning_star
- Trust no-one.