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- lol still going on about Obama and emails I see.inteliboy
- For starters, Obama always an consistently supported gay marriage and equality, no matter what, and despite his beliefs.monospaced
- He also was very transparent about his shifting stance on the subject over the next 8 years. It's well document in eloquent speech if you don't believe me.monospaced
- But yeah, ignore reality and I can see why a conservative might get a boner for this nonsense post.monospaced
- this article charts his progress and growing up on the issue http://time.com/3816…lowimpakt
- Black-listed! Woah now!!robotron3k
- hypocrisy is unbecoming no matter how eloquent the speech may be, mono... obama switched stances to satisfy constituents... which is disgusting.PonyBoy
- I wouldn't go so far to say he's a hypocrite. His views did change, legitimately. Most importantly, he never injected his personal views into his politics.monospaced
- I also changed my views on the subject over the last couple of decades. That's not disgusting, is it? It's called personal evolution, and it's a good thing.monospaced
- He didn't win votes by saying he would attack gay marriage, nor did he win them supporting it. His political and support for gay marriage never changed. Ever.monospaced
- He pandered to a religious side of his party—thus Kevin Hart's quote. You're not disgusting for changing your mind—you're disgusting if you lie for a vote.PonyBoy
- That's the thing. I don't think he lied. I think he genuinely held one view, and that it evolved over a decade. But these are just opinions of ours, nothing mormonospaced
- "His political and support for gay marriage never changed. Ever." or "I think he genuinely held one view, and that it evolved over a decade." which?PonyBoy
- Cuz I'm still of the idea he pandered to those of faith in his own party... I agree w/your first statement that he has never changed (and thus lied for votes)PonyBoy
- Once again, his personal beliefs never impacted his politics. For example, despite his early beliefs, his platform was always FOR gay marriage support.monospaced
- I doubt he won any religious votes considering he would NEVER even entertain the abolishment of gay marriage.monospaced
- And later, when his beliefs evolved, his platform remained consistent. there's nothing nefarious about that. He was always politically consistent.monospaced
- I sincerely don't think he lied at all, for votes.monospaced
- Not buying it, mono. :) To be shifty is to be a politician. I believe the man sincerely pandered to religious folks when it was necessary (pre-2008)...PonyBoy
- ... but when the PC mood shifted he shifted too. THAT shift makes him a hypocrite BEFORE the public PC mood shift. Pre-2008 all he did was pander.PonyBoy
- And let's be clear: If you're truly 'Christian' or any Abrahamic religion you believe scripture. To shift those scriptures to meet current Pop Culture shows...PonyBoy
- ... 'you're' either a hypocrite or you didn't give a shit about the Faith you say you're a part of to begin with. Either way you're living up to what is...PonyBoy
- ...currently considered politically correct but not scripturally correct. If you say you're of a certain Faith but don't follow it you are a hypocrite...PonyBoy
- ... and in Obama's case... a pandering hypocrite.PonyBoy
- Who's christian conservative votes did he win pre-2008 saying this? I'll wait.monospaced
- he wasn't pandering to them... I already said it was the xtians in the dem party he was pandering to... ... he appealed to nearly zero conservatives (duh)PonyBoy
- "He pandered to a religious side of his party"... is what I said... referring to the blue dogs who still give a shit about their faithPonyBoy