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Since you have presented no individual thought of your own on my thoughts why embarassingly mocking them I'll go forth and break them down. Second law of thermodynamics is focused on entrophy which can be a measure of order/disorder within a system. There is no reason you cannot apply the physics to social systems. Unless you provide one "wink wink".
In this case entrophy can be seen as self interests. Some self interests do good some do bad. All a bit of unpredictable chaos within a system. And to get a little deeper most of existence is largely binary. 0/1 up/down left/right true/false etc... Don't need to much math to see it. The binary nature is related to the nature of the entrophy order/disorder. I think as humans(and what we are. ie not ants) there are two modes of movement. Individualism/collectivism. I see individualism as the more energy intensive entrophy that progresses human kind. Collectivism as the negative easy energy entrophy trying to stagnify a system into a collective 0/death/status quo until rebirth. I will say collectivism has had it merits in brutal force of like mindness to overthrow things, but the times it prevails can closely be associated with individualist interests working together vs the tribal nature of it. Hard to objectively prove but take it for what its worth.
If we look historically we see individual entrophy has helped progress so much and enrich lives even though things are unequal. while collectivist entrophy has helped equalize lives to misery suffering and death.
Now with this said I really wouldn't be surprised even if the last great free nation (last real discovered so fresh) doesn't fall to the easy basic entrophy of collectivism. Again historically it is part of all systems as nature with the seasons. When a system is equal/dead/inert it takes the least amount of energy to change or rebirth. However historically we are rare in we were mostly migrants of people who saw the failing systems, that burned over and over again. As humans progressed you must wonder if room or land to grow free on was not a catalyst to grow from fucked systems. Being the last will we succumb to similar history of the rest of the world. Is entrophy of our system continental or global? Is the US the last stage of growth entrophy before we sink to find the great equalizer of death.
And mono these are thoughts. Not copy and pasted opinions. I don't declare them to be right or wrong. Just thinking of shit and finding new ways to perceive the world for a better perspective. If you want to participate in the conversation and test your own theories in the realm of reason and ideas please do so. But don't be such a trivial child and do the hashtag projecting emo value bullshit, IE "look at this crap #whatever". Only idiots respond to that shit. Only an idiot will respond to the emotional response and ignore you failed to qualify your response with any reason.
You can also look it up. Even though i thought of the connection on my own it seems im far from the first. But than again no different when i thought of magnetic turbines playing with magnets. Or even a logo for a company that turned out to be almost identical to another company in another field. We live small in our heads and forget how much has already been thought of. And in our lifespan we can never absorb anywhere near the full knowledge that exists from the best and brightest 1 percenters.
But again I encourage you to think about it and offer a rebuttal based on your own thinking. Forget the insults you think bother me or whether they make you feel alpha. I cant tell you how much I dont give a shit compared to interacting with a person thinking and reasoning on their own. You think maybe I'm focused on you and probably only because you or utopian and a few sketchy others seem to be the primary responders. I think if I have your attention maybe I can get you to think independently. Help you out of your status quo view. And dont think of it as charity as others sell it. I dont give a fuck if you disagree independently as long as you have your own reason. Just have your own honest reason.
Hell the most recent thing about you acting all republicanish in stocks was the the first honest thing I think I've seen from you. I also think it's because liberal millenial types can invest in stocks while protesting wallstreet.. regardless it shows your true nature of fuck everyone but myself and family, and that is honesty that is so simple but no one will admit because its not PC.
In other words I want better responses out of you if you engage. ignore trying to bite with insults like a rabid dog. counter arguments with reason. Be more like ukit. He is probably still the only person who actually tries to have a discourse of ideas.
- @mono
why is this not true?
can you post facts please. to debunk.******** - well ukit posts alot of bias without personal insight. he has in past given it some true independent thought. so not saying copy his post style********
- just his independent thinking when challenged********
- I do not endorse soundofreason. His views which sometimes i agree with are executed in a style which i find only helps create diversity********
- soundofreason you might be more of the osho styling in offering truth in the harshest manner to possible to test worth********
- but what osho/rand offered in testing people did nothing for their growth. Its not about shaming.... i guess really you haven't said anything to that aspect********
- So, you do not endorse diversity?********
- but i get the feeling that is your intention like saying "yea mono dont bitch out and explain" is not educational in thought. More agenda related.********
- i have no problem with diversity, but im capable of seeing agendas and i am skeptical of yours********
- this isnt about gang mentality. if you added something of a highlight i missed or personal insight that is different. you jumped on band wagon as a follower********
- Like a YEA! in a angry mob. I am far more critical of who supports my ideas than the angry mob that tries to dispel them with insults.********
- You're right, I basically just tagged the post and grabbed some popcorn. I enjoy these exchanges between members.********
- I think it's a good that there are users like you sharing their unique ideas but even you agreed that you weren't articulating them well.********
- My original comment on this post was in reference to: https://www.qbn.com/…********
- And though I am adding fuel to the fire for my own entertainment I don't remember ever insulting you or your ideas.********
- If you were more clear and concise I could give you my honest opinion.********
- You can laugh at or shake head at irrational attitudes and they might like bandwagoning, but its not our types. its a huge red flag********
- haha why is that thread mostly filled ex qbn users my gut associates with you. Im not upset. i just not sure your methods are the bes tin changing minds********
- maybe i give to much and try to coerce. maybe i have more hope in change.********
- your are real. just not sure your intentions. I like you mentioned my own confidence in articulation. shows you do read.********
- Keep doing your thing.********
- but now of course mono will probably bite on our discourse than anything in the post.... i expected it, but gives an easy out********
- hehe. ill do me until the end. u do you, despite what i may think of your methods until the end. sorry for not blindly loveing any support********
- in this small demographic. Im a postman fan and very skeptical of information sources and incentive structures of social systems.********
- maybe someone will try to negate any post by stating we are the same person.********
- maybe someone will try to negate any post by stating we are the same person.********
- When you say everything comes down to individual vs. collectivist isn’t that kind of black and white thinking? I don’t think the world works that way.yuekit
- One thing I noticed through traveling a lot, in societies that don’t have as much government and social programs (such as in the developing world), people areyuekit
- forced to be much more reliant on their families. Kids take care of the parents when they get old for instance b/c no social security, Medicare, etc.yuekit
- So it’s either collectivism of the family or the kind of anonymous, neutral collectivism of the state. Not sure which one actually makes you more “free.”yuekit
- Lol just lolrobotron3k
- You should really think about starting a YouTube channel.ben_
- I'm thinking of starting a podcast with QBN members.********
- These debates between members are only a performance for the crowd anyway. Nobody is changing anybody's mind.********
- Yeah, well I wouldn't say it's the highest quality debate, tbh.ben_
- what debate?monospaced
- Good point.ben_
- yuekit you always pull through unlike others. you make a valid point of collectivism at the micro level********
- as in some union collective bargaining rights. but these collectives are created out of non gov entities and for collective purpose********
- the only reason I ever visited chiapas was a propaghandi song talking about their democratic solutions to centralized control********
- still a little backwards in burning people alive. also in dealing with modern society and industrialization and zapista roadblocks********
- but they were vibrant and community based but still lacking in what we think is normal. And that may be a by product of choosing community over individualistic********
- advancements. the idea of survival of fittest or basic hayek economic theory is diversity and individuals not collectively organized********
- in companies or unions or anything will bring about far better advancement than collectively controlled societies********
- And yes i think from a fundamental point it is very black and white. That doesn't mean i dont see the inbetween. It just means i acknowledge the baselines********
- the baselines that individual is far greater than collective in my moral standing. if you look at any political policy crossing lines they all hold individual********
- @mono