Donald Trump
Donald Trump
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- It is a choice. And a lot of their viewpoints are bigoted, ignorant, hateful and shameful. Most can't share their views in public without pissing off good peoplmonospaced
- ^ There is absolutely nothing bigoted, ignorant, hateful or shameful from being conservative. Rhetoric like that is toxic. Toxic mono.inteliboy
- ;) sorry I couldn't resistinteliboy
- You’re right. Conservative in itself isn’t the issue. It’s some of their views that are. It’s not a mystery what those views are.monospaced
- Only thing toxic is that racism and bigotry and fear still underpin so much of what conservatives believe in the USA.monospaced
- Both left and right in politics are an absolute necessity in providing a coherent and fair society. Projecting prejudices about extremist positions...Morning_star
- ...onto one or the other is toxic.Morning_star
- I'm only projecting in the sense that this person is referencing in "lifestyle." I'm not that naive. Calling me toxic is naive.monospaced
- Morning_star, what if one side actually does have extremist positions?yuekit
- Watching Trump on TV for two years and concluding "this guy is doing an amazing job, this is who I want as leader" is not normal.yuekit
- Yeukit, both sides have a spectrum of supporters, some extreme, most are reasonable. Projecting baseless accusations of extremism on to supporters of a whole...Morning_star
- ... political ideology is divisive and polarising. And only nurtures conflict. Dialogue and understanding is the key. Ignorance and unruths are toxic.Morning_star
- Conservatism as a whole has some worthy ideas I'm sure. Modern day conservatism in the U.S. has gone badly off track to put it mildly lol.yuekit
- I get that you're trying to be even handed, but it borders on the absurd to pretend both sides are equally bad when Trump is making statements like the oneyuekit
- below and 80-90% of U.S. Republicans support him.yuekit
- Offering US 'Conservatism' as an example of what the Political Right fundamentally stands for is a mistake. To then focus that 'truth' through the lens of...Morning_star
- ...Trump is madness. Trump and the US don't define what is or isn't conservative. The political spectrum exists independently. Criticising that political...Morning_star
- ...spectrum because Trump is a fucking moron is stupid and divisive and ultimately part of the problem.Morning_star
- I actually don't think there is any specific meaning you can attach to the term "political right," unless you want to go back to the original meaningyuekit
- which was pro-monarchy/ anti-democracy. Since then it's meant different things in different times and places.yuekit
- What it stands for right now is Trump and other nationalist movements. Also this thread is literally named Donald Trump so hardly unfair to bring him up :)yuekit
- I think there are specific common and universal features you can apply to 'Left Wing' and 'Right Wing'. They are not subjective positions...Morning_star
- ..Add to the Left-right axis another spanning Authoritarian and Libertarian and you have a model that illustrates the western political universe.Morning_star
- Trump is a loose canon business man in that political universe and to criticise the universe because of an arsehole president is a dishonest pursuit.Morning_star
- He is unique in terms of his unstable personality but he also represents the current direction of conservatism. Nationalist, authoritarian, anti-immigrant, etc.yuekit
- Over 60 million conservatives voted for him in the U.S. and almost every Western country has a similar nationalist right-wing movement.yuekit
- If conservatives don't want to be viewed that way, perhaps they should stop supporting these kinds of leaders.yuekit
- This article goes some way in explaining... https://www.theguard…Morning_star
- Yes there were a lot of articles like that as Trump was winning the primary. The problem is actual conservative voters showed they could not care less.yuekit
- And in that we can agree. Voter ignorance and apathy gave us Trump (and Brexit). Arguably, America got what it deserved.Morning_star