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  • colin_s-3

    religion is like politics in that the major representatives of any ideology will likely be more mechanisms of control than empowerment, of hypocrisy than enlightenment.

    faith is a deeply important aspect of all lives, whether one identifies as a devout (insert ideology here) or somewhere in between.

    the truly faithful will likely either engage in the most basic and sincere tenants of their chosen religion or find a way to self-define god that works for them while (hopefully) maintaining a decent moral standard.

    fuck bill maher.

    • (ideology includes athiesm)colin_s
    • I agree mostly. I would also add that any good person, including those that consider religion an absolute joke, can maintain morality with easemonospaced
    • faith is not important in my life in any way, and I am an incredibly moral personmonospaced
    • also, atheism isn't an ideology, it's a lack of one ... calling atheism an ideology is like calling "off" a television channel :)monospaced
    • agree with mono_niko
    • mono ftw +1fadein11
    • thanks, and I'm prepared for the backlash, and the name-calling, and the myriad of acrobatics people will take in their attempt to say thta I'm wrong :)monospaced
    • wait, what did bill maher do? hahafuturefood
    • He made a movie about it:
      https://www.youtube.…
      monospaced
    • @mono i equate faith to whatever one finds meaning in / belief in the structure of the universe, an over-arching guiding principlecolin_s
    • and athiesm is an ideology because it requires a dedication to an absolute, even if that absolute is simply "the opposite of those guys over there"colin_s
    • me too, colin! I have faith in the natural order of all things known and unknown, and I find it awe-inspiringly beautiful, and powerful, and amazing!monospaced
    • that is absolute atheism, and so far, there is no evidence for anything else, except for anecdotal hearsay of supernatural happenings and "feelz"monospaced
    • btw, atheism requires no "dedication," considering all living things are born default atheist until otherwise indoctrinated by man-made ideasmonospaced
    • To call atheism an ideology is hilarious. It's no more an ideology than black is a colour — which is isn't. Black is the absence of light, and atheism ...Continuity
    • ... is the absence of belief in your (and others') mythology. To say otherwise is intellectual dishonesty.Continuity
    • Use the classic "like bald is a hair colour" analogy, please.i_monk
    • ^ This means I have a very colourful head, according to this according to this argument.Continuity
    • And, colin, it seems you need a refresher on what the word 'atheism' actually means, so I give you the OED definition:Continuity
    • atheism /ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/
      Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
      https://en.oxforddic…
      Continuity
    • Disbelief, lack of belief != 'atheist beliefs'.Continuity
    • mono and the rest, u guys can't be serious. u really don't see how atheism is as much of ideology as the one used by people using bible "facts"?pr2
    • Serious ... not the same in any way at all. The comparison is a joke.monospaced
    • One is faith. The other isn’t. One is myth the other is reason.monospaced
    • BOTH are faiths. Sorry to pop your bubble.pr2
    • did you ever ask yourself how we transformed our universal thinking away from beliefs to facts? I hope u don't image it's because of advancement in knowledge.pr2
    • we've chosen (wasn't really personal choice, but rather imposition by forces of society) to BELIEF one set of data points over another.pr2
    • Sorry. There is no faith involved in atheism. Just a lack of it. Your argument requires DISBELIEF in supernatural entities. Sorry, that is NOT a faith.monospaced
    • If you insist that atheist believe in some sort of myth, then we might have a discussion. It’s simply not true.monospaced
    • Actual knowledge and progress is believable. Miracles and other impossible things on the other hand are simply nonsense.monospaced
    • And anyway, if you’re gonna make the case for supernatural faith, you have to choose one of them. You can’t accept that ALL gods exist or else you’re an atheistmonospaced
    • think u r too stuck into assuming that disagreement with your trajectory of thinking automatically gives credence to myths.pr2
    • what i'm proposing is that your belief in power of knowledge is as much a myth as thinking that there is an old bearded guy in the sky.pr2
    • moreover that knowledge is still filtered through perception that takes one further away from "facts".pr2
    • As far as intellectual gymnastics go, pr2, you're a gold medal winner.Continuity
    • i just accept that my ways of thinking were shaped by forces outside of my control, so i like to question if another way might now also be correct.pr2
    • Mm-hm.Continuity
    • yeahhhhhpr2
    • pr2 you talk some serious bullshit word salad.Reeno
    • I’m sorry. I can’t accept that a mythical supernatural invisible god is somehow comparable to reality. And which god? All of them throughout all time? Please.monospaced
    • If you are saying that the western modern monotheistic God is an acceptable theory, then what about the other hundreds of gods and religions? All BS?monospaced
    • You can’t be taken seriously about these mythical supernatural beings if you can only choose one? Otherwise that’s non belief in MOST godsmonospaced
    • Anyway. Gods are stories for children. There’s no evidence any ever existed or do today.monospaced
    • All religious people are “atheist” when it comes to other religions gods. Atheists just take it one step further and choose to accept none.monospaced
    • At which point did i say any of it???? You can't even see through your personal ideology: disagree with you about religion = god is awesome.pr2
    • Again, what i'm saying is that the "reality" is much less fluid than you anticipate. That's why the whole "antheism is religion too" mantra.pr2
    • But it’s not a religion. It’s not a belief in any religion at all. The argument makes no sense. Anyway, all religious people also have “faith” in progress.monospaced
    • I’m not accusing YOU of being religious, just making a point that religious people are usually mostly atheist, except for their own god(s)monospaced
    • And once again. Atheism is a religion like “off” is a tv channel. It’s simply not. It can’t be, by literal definition.monospaced
    • The "off" is a TV channel too - which again i'm surprised noone is picking on such obviously wrong analogy - especially now where we spend so much time in...pr2
    • ...virtual world the boundary between "fiction" of the screen and the "reality of the off button is so blurry.pr2
    • In a way it's a perfect analogy for MY point. you hope to keep the boundary very rigid while i, whether i like it or now, accept the fluidity of it.pr2
    • i would LOVE if the boundaries were more defined - but, like it or not, i accept they are not.pr2
    • and i think today this search for scientific "rigidity" is a sort of cry for help in a world that has less and less obvious definitions. (VASTLY different...pr2
    • ...meaning then in say XVII century).pr2
    • Im no more an atheist than dogs, cats and birds are. Gods only came to be when our primitive brains created them to help us make sense of things._niko
    • Depends how you define atheism. I can see how modern atheism could be considered an ideology because it promotes a certain worldview (science, reason etc).yuekit
    • OTOH imagine a person born on an island somewhere who was never exposed to religious indoctrination.yuekit
    • They are "atheist" by default because the concept was never introduced to them. That's not really an ideology, it's the lack of one.yuekit
    • "all living things are born default atheist until otherwise indoctrinated by man-made ideas" — Atheism is a man-made idea... no?robthelad
    • Atheism isn’t an idea. It’s just a refusal to believe in gods that men make up.monospaced
    • Atheism is a science dogma. Even religious people have faith in science. They have to. Deep.monospaced
    • *ISN’Tmonospaced
    • Your idea that atheism is science faith is simply just naive confusion. It’s not. It’s just a rejection of supernatural entities that control lives.monospaced
    • Religious people aren’t anti science, because they rely on it daily. They have for all time and will for all time. Scientific process IS the only progressmonospaced
    • Mono, i see you're till churning out the same old dogma. Keep the faith brother.Morning_star
    • I see you still have yet to look up what dogma is. When you do, you'll realize I am devoid of one, which is what atheism is.monospaced
    • I have no "faith" in anything supernatural, buddy. That's the realm of religion and children's stories. I prefer reality.monospaced
    • There has been absolutely no evidence at all, in all of human history, of the existence of any of the hundreds of man-made gods. That alone should be enough.monospaced
    • Dogma: a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true. Mono: "There has been ABSOLUTELY no evidence in ALL of human..etc"Morning_star
    • that's not dogma or a set of principles, it's just the truthmonospaced
    • In this case, you're making ME the "authority" and I'm not.monospaced

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