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religion is like politics in that the major representatives of any ideology will likely be more mechanisms of control than empowerment, of hypocrisy than enlightenment.
faith is a deeply important aspect of all lives, whether one identifies as a devout (insert ideology here) or somewhere in between.
the truly faithful will likely either engage in the most basic and sincere tenants of their chosen religion or find a way to self-define god that works for them while (hopefully) maintaining a decent moral standard.
fuck bill maher.
- (ideology includes athiesm)colin_s
- I agree mostly. I would also add that any good person, including those that consider religion an absolute joke, can maintain morality with easemonospaced
- faith is not important in my life in any way, and I am an incredibly moral personmonospaced
- also, atheism isn't an ideology, it's a lack of one ... calling atheism an ideology is like calling "off" a television channel :)monospaced
- agree with mono_niko
- mono ftw +1fadein11
- thanks, and I'm prepared for the backlash, and the name-calling, and the myriad of acrobatics people will take in their attempt to say thta I'm wrong :)monospaced
- wait, what did bill maher do? hahafuturefood
- He made a movie about it:
https://www.youtube.…monospaced - @mono i equate faith to whatever one finds meaning in / belief in the structure of the universe, an over-arching guiding principlecolin_s
- and athiesm is an ideology because it requires a dedication to an absolute, even if that absolute is simply "the opposite of those guys over there"colin_s
- me too, colin! I have faith in the natural order of all things known and unknown, and I find it awe-inspiringly beautiful, and powerful, and amazing!monospaced
- that is absolute atheism, and so far, there is no evidence for anything else, except for anecdotal hearsay of supernatural happenings and "feelz"monospaced
- btw, atheism requires no "dedication," considering all living things are born default atheist until otherwise indoctrinated by man-made ideasmonospaced
- To call atheism an ideology is hilarious. It's no more an ideology than black is a colour — which is isn't. Black is the absence of light, and atheism ...Continuity
- ... is the absence of belief in your (and others') mythology. To say otherwise is intellectual dishonesty.Continuity
- Use the classic "like bald is a hair colour" analogy, please.i_monk
- ^ This means I have a very colourful head, according to this according to this argument.Continuity
- And, colin, it seems you need a refresher on what the word 'atheism' actually means, so I give you the OED definition:Continuity
- atheism /ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/
Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
https://en.oxforddic…Continuity - Disbelief, lack of belief != 'atheist beliefs'.Continuity
- mono and the rest, u guys can't be serious. u really don't see how atheism is as much of ideology as the one used by people using bible "facts"?pr2
- Serious ... not the same in any way at all. The comparison is a joke.monospaced
- One is faith. The other isn’t. One is myth the other is reason.monospaced
- BOTH are faiths. Sorry to pop your bubble.pr2
- did you ever ask yourself how we transformed our universal thinking away from beliefs to facts? I hope u don't image it's because of advancement in knowledge.pr2
- we've chosen (wasn't really personal choice, but rather imposition by forces of society) to BELIEF one set of data points over another.pr2
- Sorry. There is no faith involved in atheism. Just a lack of it. Your argument requires DISBELIEF in supernatural entities. Sorry, that is NOT a faith.monospaced
- If you insist that atheist believe in some sort of myth, then we might have a discussion. It’s simply not true.monospaced
- Actual knowledge and progress is believable. Miracles and other impossible things on the other hand are simply nonsense.monospaced
- And anyway, if you’re gonna make the case for supernatural faith, you have to choose one of them. You can’t accept that ALL gods exist or else you’re an atheistmonospaced
- think u r too stuck into assuming that disagreement with your trajectory of thinking automatically gives credence to myths.pr2
- what i'm proposing is that your belief in power of knowledge is as much a myth as thinking that there is an old bearded guy in the sky.pr2
- moreover that knowledge is still filtered through perception that takes one further away from "facts".pr2
- As far as intellectual gymnastics go, pr2, you're a gold medal winner.Continuity
- i just accept that my ways of thinking were shaped by forces outside of my control, so i like to question if another way might now also be correct.pr2
- Mm-hm.Continuity
- yeahhhhhpr2
- pr2 you talk some serious bullshit word salad.Reeno
- I’m sorry. I can’t accept that a mythical supernatural invisible god is somehow comparable to reality. And which god? All of them throughout all time? Please.monospaced
- If you are saying that the western modern monotheistic God is an acceptable theory, then what about the other hundreds of gods and religions? All BS?monospaced
- You can’t be taken seriously about these mythical supernatural beings if you can only choose one? Otherwise that’s non belief in MOST godsmonospaced
- Anyway. Gods are stories for children. There’s no evidence any ever existed or do today.monospaced
- All religious people are “atheist” when it comes to other religions gods. Atheists just take it one step further and choose to accept none.monospaced
- At which point did i say any of it???? You can't even see through your personal ideology: disagree with you about religion = god is awesome.pr2
- Again, what i'm saying is that the "reality" is much less fluid than you anticipate. That's why the whole "antheism is religion too" mantra.pr2
- But it’s not a religion. It’s not a belief in any religion at all. The argument makes no sense. Anyway, all religious people also have “faith” in progress.monospaced
- I’m not accusing YOU of being religious, just making a point that religious people are usually mostly atheist, except for their own god(s)monospaced
- And once again. Atheism is a religion like “off” is a tv channel. It’s simply not. It can’t be, by literal definition.monospaced
- The "off" is a TV channel too - which again i'm surprised noone is picking on such obviously wrong analogy - especially now where we spend so much time in...pr2
- ...virtual world the boundary between "fiction" of the screen and the "reality of the off button is so blurry.pr2
- In a way it's a perfect analogy for MY point. you hope to keep the boundary very rigid while i, whether i like it or now, accept the fluidity of it.pr2
- i would LOVE if the boundaries were more defined - but, like it or not, i accept they are not.pr2
- and i think today this search for scientific "rigidity" is a sort of cry for help in a world that has less and less obvious definitions. (VASTLY different...pr2
- ...meaning then in say XVII century).pr2
- Im no more an atheist than dogs, cats and birds are. Gods only came to be when our primitive brains created them to help us make sense of things._niko
- Depends how you define atheism. I can see how modern atheism could be considered an ideology because it promotes a certain worldview (science, reason etc).yuekit
- OTOH imagine a person born on an island somewhere who was never exposed to religious indoctrination.yuekit
- They are "atheist" by default because the concept was never introduced to them. That's not really an ideology, it's the lack of one.yuekit
- "all living things are born default atheist until otherwise indoctrinated by man-made ideas" — Atheism is a man-made idea... no?robthelad
- Atheism isn’t an idea. It’s just a refusal to believe in gods that men make up.monospaced
- Atheism is a science dogma. Even religious people have faith in science. They have to. Deep.monospaced
- *ISN’Tmonospaced
- Your idea that atheism is science faith is simply just naive confusion. It’s not. It’s just a rejection of supernatural entities that control lives.monospaced
- Religious people aren’t anti science, because they rely on it daily. They have for all time and will for all time. Scientific process IS the only progressmonospaced
- Mono, i see you're till churning out the same old dogma. Keep the faith brother.Morning_star
- I see you still have yet to look up what dogma is. When you do, you'll realize I am devoid of one, which is what atheism is.monospaced
- I have no "faith" in anything supernatural, buddy. That's the realm of religion and children's stories. I prefer reality.monospaced
- There has been absolutely no evidence at all, in all of human history, of the existence of any of the hundreds of man-made gods. That alone should be enough.monospaced
- Dogma: a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true. Mono: "There has been ABSOLUTELY no evidence in ALL of human..etc"Morning_star
- that's not dogma or a set of principles, it's just the truthmonospaced
- In this case, you're making ME the "authority" and I'm not.monospaced